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There’s no evidence? Other than Russia saying that they want their “sphere of influence” and so on? What you are saying right now is the same that was already said in 2014. “Let’s don’t anger Russia. Let’s keep them dependent on trading with us and they won’t attack”. And look how much good this has done for Ukraine. So I’m going to flip your argument and ask a rhetorical question: Is there any evidence/precedent that Russia won’t invade again?
Maintaining trading as a manner of keeping peace only works if you’re dealing with rational actors. And if you look around the world, you’ll see that this is not what is happening. You will see USA making threats to Canada, to Panama, to Greenland. These countries were doing what you’re proposing. Trading. And now they’re the target. And it only took “few” irrational people that have other priorities than trade (even if that negatively influences their countries).
Regarding your stance on Ukraine: This is making me pretty annoyed. Because I’m already pretty sure that when Russia is going to invade Slovakia or Baltics or Romania, we’ll keep hearing the same thing. “But a lot of people were pro-Russian there. You don’t understand the intricacies of their local politics.” When Russia is going to invade Germany, you can also use the same argument that eastern Germany is a lot more open towards Russia then the rest of country. You can say this about a lot of countries.
I will repeat myself, but you’re saying things that were said in 2014. They’re being said now. And they will be also said during next invasion. So I can tell you what’s going to be said regarding French nuclear arsenal: “Oh you want to destroy the world/ww3 because of some small country that was already pretty pro-Russian to begin with?”. You can take your whole comment and apply it on all the future conflicts.
And before I reply to your last paragraph, I need to mention that pretty much all of your points are also raised by politicians in my country. Politicians which are proven to be paid by Russia and points which are mostly on Russia’s behalf. Because of that I simply don’t believe you’re arguing in good faith and because of that I won’t reply to any of your replies to this comment. Feel free to reply, but I don’t think it makes sense to continue this discussion. And now to the reply: The only one who conflates Europe having a bigger army with “calling for war” is you. This is what we keep hearing from Russian apologists since 2022. “Europe are warmongers. Kids on internet are pro-war”. The exact point for having bigger army is to NOT need to use it. No one is saying “let’s build an army to invade Russia”, so your point about anyone “wanting” to go to war is moot. What people are saying is that they want bigger army to make us a less-feasible target. And the only people who have objective problem with that are Russians, because it makes their dreams of conquest harder to execute. This is why when anyone uses this argument about “kids are heroes on internet”, it makes me not take the discussion with them seriously.
I think they're a Russian sea lion.