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ASML to open Beijing facility despite US sanctions on China (www.theregister.com)
submitted 1 week ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Could be useless for China since :
https://lemmy.world/post/26668055
[News] China’s Homegrown EUV Machines Rumored for Q3 Trial Production, Spelling Trouble for ASML

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

This could actually be why they're entering China. Emerging economies might buy much cheaper older tech from Chinese machines instead of cutting edge &expensive ASML machines.. Once the tech is out, Pandoras box can't be unopened (from ASML's perspective). Stifling Chinese adoption early might make any Chinese competitor nonviable without govt support. Overall might be worth any retribution from the US.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I doubt they have anything viable right now. Having actually watched these EUV machines get installed, seen the insides up close and personal, and talked to the techs about them extensively; there is a reason nobody else has made them yet. They're incredibly complex, requiring extreme care and precision, a ton of power, and they are fickle. I was at GF Fab 8 when they got their EUV machines; it was a process, I'll tell you that much. Custom cranes had to be installed in the fab just to facilitate any sort of meaningful work on them, and they were down a lot.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

i absolutely believe you that the technology of these old machines is much too complex and this is an argument why the Chinese have to make a better technology to replace it :
https://www.trendforce.com/news/2025/03/10/news-chinas-homegrown-euv-machines-rumored-for-q3-trial-production-spelling-trouble-for-asml/

(...) Unlike ASML’s LPP (laser-produced plasma) method, which relies on high-energy lasers and complex FPGA-based controls, the report indicates that China’s LDP (laser-induced discharge plasma) offers a simpler design, smaller footprint, better energy efficiency, and potentially lower production costs.
(...) set for trial production for the third quarter, 2025, with mass manufacturing aimed for 2026.