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Don't ever let anyone forget or brush under the rug the horrible acts that occurred in Tiananmen Square on June 4th, 1989.
https://www.history.com/topics/asian-history/tiananmen-square
No thanks. I don't give a fuck about getting ratio'd. Let the people decide. Assuming this platform ever gets more traction, which it seems to be doing, the vast majority of the people that come here won't be tankies so... no, no I don't think I will go somewhere else.
These people really want their echo chamber, not a good look for Lemmy imo
Indeed, the "they're all a bunch of tankies over there" narrative is one of the more common objections I see to Lemmy when I mention it as a valid Reddit alternative over on Reddit. Bit of a chicken-and-egg problem, mind you - we need non-tankies to balance things out. Here's hoping that there's enough new blood coming in anyway to manage that.
One of the main reasons I've switched over to feddit.de. Hope more instances have the sense to block servers that are openly pro-imperialism and pro-totalitarianism.
@gzrrt @xTechDeath Is it not better to have open dialogues with people who disagree with you, rather than blocking them?
If they're interested in having good-faith discussions, sure.
Is good faith = drinking neoliberal/neocon Anglo koolaid, in your case?
"There are only two positions in the world, mine and an extreme caricature of some awful opposite" is not a particularly useful place to get started on good faith argument.
What you call caricature is reality. I am not a western neoliberal and I have every reason to push back against western chauvinism. Largely, there are two positions in the world, one being Anglo imperialism and the other is rest of world that suffers from it. Nuances are a secondary concern. Hairsplitting distractions stopped working long ago.
I am tired of how malicious people are, that purposely believe lies about Tiananmen Square and Tankman and even go ahead to spread them, frankly speaking. There is a CNN Crew footage since the past 9-10 years where no "Tankman" ever got crushed. There are fingerprints everywhere regarding CIA's involvement in Tiananmen incident, and how "democratic students" were paid in scholarships, vacation trips and other means to cause havoc. There are photos of those terrorists burning Chinese soldiers, vehicles and infrastructure first, which was responded to by PLA soldiers aptly.
You can only ever have good faith arguments with people who do not go "see see poo poo" the moment they hear China.
You can't have good faith arguments with cult members, fascists, or tankies.
Forgot to add the worst group, liberals? I wonder why...
@CrimsonOnoscopy Why not?
Because they don't engage in good faith. Right and 'left' fascists don't value truth as anything more than a tool.
That's why it's so easy for them to switch from (say) genocide denial on the issue of China and its genocide of populations in Xinjiang, Tibet, Outer Mongolia, and throughout the (Artificial and Imperialist) borders of the state.
Because they will often come into a conversation knowing full well that what's happening is a genocide. But since their objective isn't to reach truth, their argumentation doesn't reflect the things they know.
It's one of the recurring traits of Fascism- Disdain for reality. The way this trait is shared by reactionary authoritarians like those who run the Chinese state is quite telling about the nature of these 'left' authoritarian ideologies.
The 'left' is in quotes here because these groups are something-phobic, socially reactionary and abusive as often as not.
You took the words out of my mouths. Authoritarians are a waste of air and should be treated as such.
Why are you including me in your response to him? Did I say anything about blocking?
@xTechDeath Because you were in the above thread; probably just has something to do with how #Mastodon includes mentions in replies, I didn't add or remove anyone to my responses here
echo chamber? youre the one echoing western corporate media talking points.
I have done no such thing lol. I’ve made two comments one making fun of the guy that said china isn’t part of world news and this one. Your comment trying to paint me in this light just reeks of desperation or the inability to read
I'm sorry let me clarify. By 'you' I mean the influx of users with a predominantly western liberal mindset.
So posting one article about china bad is an influx of new users with a predominantly western liberal mindset echoing the corporate media narrative. Seems like a bit of a reach.
If someone posted some bad shit about USA nobody would give af and would mostly agree, you just seem like you don’t want anything critical of china
Why make/go to another political echo chamber over potentially getting "ratio'd" (which is meaningless and doesnt say anything about one's argument). Anyone has the right to post something no matter what people around think. Posting all this on an instance that would be INSTANTLY defederated by instances like lemmygrad is pointless and we'd just end up with less debate and more polarization.
I think that tankies, arguably, are hardly leftists at all.
Looking at the community, all I see is Red-Draped Reactionaries.
Nah, eventually they will be outnumbered an dislike to go beyond lemmygrad because they get endlessly shit on