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This is what the EU should propose to Putin. Russia will withdraw from all land it seized from Ukraine after the 2022 invasion. NATO would be dissolved and replaced with a European alliance. Ukraine and Canada would be permitted to join but not the US. If Putin doesn't accept the proposal, the UK and France would send troops to Ukraine.
There is zero chance of Russia withdrawing from the current territories at this point. Also, why would Russia give shit if France and UK sent troops to Ukraine. Russian army is at around 1.5 million troops, while the EU could scrape up a few thousand troops at best. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-army-troops-ukraine-defence-b2701635.html
Meanwhile, the US provides the bulk of NATO accounting for over 70% of arms and majority of the troops. Without the US, there is no NATO. Anybody who understands basic arithmetic can see how absurd this whole notion is.
Numbers alone don't count. During World War II, Germany could have conquered Russia if it didn't have to fight the powerful US in the west. That's the reason Putin might accept the plan. Without the US in Europe, Putin might think he can conquer Europe.
Germany was already losing when the US entered the war
No. In December 1941 when the US entered the war after Hitler foolishly declared war on the US, Russia had simply stopped Germany outside of Moscow.
Germany was already in retreat
No. Russia regained some land but, in the summer of 1942, Germany went on the offensive.
The alternate reality you inhabit is fascinating. Meanwhile, here's what a book produced by US military has to say on the subject.
The fact that you're historically illiterate explains why you have ideas that have no basis in reality. Maybe read a book for once in your life.
By 1944, Russia had fully recovered from the German invasion and was a powerful military. That was not the case in 1942. When Hitler launched his 1942 summer offensive, he had to keep units in the west to repel any invasion of France by the Western allies.
You can read the whole book, USSR was the main force fighting the nazis and did far more than all the allies combined. Your historical illiteracy is frankly an embarrassment.
I know that but the Western allies kept Hitler from concentrating his forces against Russia. Also, the West through Arctic convoys gave Russia supplies. Finally, it was the West which bombed Germany not Russia.
The reality is that US companies continued to work with the nazis well into the war. And as the book I linked explains in great detail, USSR would have won the war regardless. Your whole premise here is nonsense born out of sheer ignorance. Instead of making inane comments on here and wasting people's time, go read a book and learn about the subject you're attempting to debate.
Had not the powerful US entered World War II, Russia would have been conquered by Germany. Russia had a much greater population than Germany, but its troops weren't as well trained and in the beginning of the war its equipment weren't as good.
Correct, preventing USSR from establishing communism in Europe was the primary goal of US engagement in the war. Good on you to finally admit that USSR would have won the war, and the only role the US served was to preserve fascism in the west.