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'Leave our country': Indian students living in constant fear in Ukraine amid hostility
(economictimes.indiatimes.com)
this post was submitted on 21 Aug 2023
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You think Poland or Ukraine are English?
Vassal states to original English colonial powers, the 8 Nation Alliance? Absolutely. This is why they are part of Anglosphere. Any country that is, or has been during/since Renaissance, a western/English colonial power, or is their vassal state (Israel, Japan, Turkey also count), are part of Anglosphere. Geographical location can be separate from social/economical hegemonic ideals.
Edit: the nuance is influence and subjugator control by original white colonial powers.
I think you are conflating different ideas here.
Anglosphere is countries that have a majority of native English speakers due to cultural connection to England.
Not the only meaning anymore. That meaning changed long ago, since the creation of NATO and how it operates to subjugate any and all countries for a unipolar hegemonic iron fist rule of white man. Proxy colonisation has been the major shifter.
I'm anti NATO, I understand how it works.
My original gripe is with your use of Anglo, Ukraine is not part of NATO, had much more influence and history with Russia than the US/UK, speaks Ukrainian and are ethnically Ukrainian.
You don't have to be Anglo to be racist. Europe, EU and NATO are all more complex that just saying anglosphere and it makes you look silly to reduce it down to white man bad.
Ukraine is not part of NATO, however it absolutely is a condom that NATO is using to try and fuck with Russia since almost a decade. There is a backstory that goes all the way back to 60s, but the breakage of Warsaw Pact demonstrated what US VP Dick Cheney once said – to balkanise and break Russia apart. This has been NATO's goal since it was formulated, and what we are seeing is the last straws being grasped at. This is why Biden is asking GOP for $60B more, after the $40B already pumped by USA into Ukraine.
Anglo whites are by far the most racist people to have existed on this planet in the entirety of human history, and no other group or faction has been even remotely in the ballpark. Whites have subjugated for the past centuries blacks, Asians, Muslims, whoever has been determined as "non-pure" at various points of time and so on. The only close parallel (perhaps worse) I can think of, in terms of oppression, in all of human existence, has been the treatment of lower castes or Shudras in India since many millenia, that continues to this day.
All that geopolitics doesn't make the people Anglo though.
Why the fuck are conflating damage done to being most racist. Whites may or may not be the most racist as a whole but because they've had a lot of global power the last 400 years we can see the impact of it more than any other group.
I really don't care who is most racist on averagee because I have an understanding that racism is everywhere in the world and should be fought against everywhere.
Again you are showing you have a really simplified black and white view of the world.
Things are not black and white but they do not have infinite shades of gray either. Overthinking, overcomplicating, pseudo-intellectual hipster takes are just BAD. "racism is everywhere" is like a both sides trope, and I find it to be a method to suppress all discourse, rather than it ever, in history of debates, have ended up generating meaningful discussion and critique.
Again my original point was that Ukrainian racism towards Indian students in the country during the current war with Russia should not be reduced down to Anglo racism. This reduction is neither in your words, generating meaningful conversation or is a meaningful critique of the problem and IMO is wrong(though this is more a disagreement over words and I think we mostly agree).
This racism happened conveniently (actually it is institutionalised and systematic) against Indians, blacks and Muslims, all groups that European anti-immigrant whites hate. Therefore, it is correctly labelled as Anglo racism. Those "pure" whites do not want the "dirty" browns/blacks around, apparently. This is the basis of what I said, which is very clear to anyone oppressed and concerned.
Again we agree but for teminology. Anglo racism is a term I can't find online and again IMO should only be used on England and its colonies.
Take France for example should it and its colonies not use the term Franco racism.
Just say white racists or European racists or bigots as well works.
Anglosphere covers US/Canada/Europe, where this trend is seen. Colonialist mindset is not exclusive to white skin, and non-whites who find themselves comfortable in the Anglo imperialist privileges happily carry out tasks for the "whites". This was a very popular example last year, for instance https://twitter.com/non_philosophy/status/1498000420815396872
Again my point is Anglo is not the right word, go with European racism or then if you don't want to call out skin colour.
Any mention I find of Angloshere online doesn't include Europe and some mentions are even calling out the difference between anglosphere and Europe.
I'm not the only one who was confused by your use of the word in this context.
The leftist socialist discourse has not, even once, pointed this out to me, who are the first to see the wrongs in anti-imperialist narratives. I am unsure who these people are, because you are the first and only one to say this.
Might just be a European pet peeve 🤷
Any good leftist socialist comms you've found on Lemmy? I'm just following anarchism @hexbear.net and whatever floats my way on All from hexbear and lemmygrad
I have been active for a year on Lemmygrad. Also I am from India, not Europe.
I meant that I'm European