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yes, "free/libre" software usually attracts nazis, especially gpl licenses. that's why lemmy should start using an ethical open source license and get serious about getting rid of right-wingers
facepalm There's GPL code in just about every technology you use, and it has nothing to do with the type of person that uses it. Do you think most people understand or care what licenses are being used in the online platforms they use? It really has nothing to do with OPs question.
reddit is gpl licensed and is one of the most bigoted social media out there
Reddit was*
Reddit freed it and then closed it again.
reddit is not everything... what's your point? Again, GPL is used in software all over the place. It has nothing to do with the sort of community that develops around an online service.
It's like saying the brand of motor oil you choose makes you a good driver or not.
the license is what makes open source (ethical source included) what it is, using a license that doesn't allow bad people to use your software is a basic human right
You have typed out some words but haven't organized them in a fashion that makes sense. You're trying to make some point about code licenses in a discussion about communities and certain types of people.
Also, you seem to be completely misinformed on random tidbits you're throwing out there. At what point was Reddit ever GPL? Prove it.
can't find the proper repo but here is something: https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit
reddit being open source but not ethical source lead to people making their own reddit to spread even more bigoted ideas, thankfully reddit is closed source nowadays
Yes, I know where their code repos, including their archived ones, are. Not GPL.
It would be interesting to see if you can explain how you make a connection between software license and bigoted ideas of end users of products.
people using software made by fascists are fascists themselves, if you can't see that, leave
a) What makes the software developers fascists? b) Do you research the licenses in all of the products you use that have software? Do you know no fascists were involved in the making of those products & services? c) What authority do you have to tell people to leave? You've done nothing but blather a bunch of falsehoods and want people to agree or piss off? Not happening.
i don't like to argue with nazis because that validates them but i'll take the time to answer yours questions
they have bigoted beliefs (hating trans people, bipocs and such)
essentially yes, i do still use "free/libre" software but i try to use ethical source software whenever i can
not necessarily, that's why it's important check. go though the devs/maintainers twitter is usually the best way to find if they are bigots or not (not having a twitter is obviously a big red flag)
fascists are the lowest of the lowest, anyone has the authority to tell them to leave
OK, you are unfortunately down some very dark roads and are now violating code of conduct by being so extremist. There's no conversation to be had with you. I hope you get the mental health attention you so clearly require.
In fact, this user was one of the reasons why i made this post. They're too far lost into the extreme left, invalidated my experience surviving human rights violation just because they say that there are not hr violations in my country according to they, and everything they don't like is a Nazi. That is one example on the left, just imagine what happens on gab for example wich is an actual echo chamber for literal Nazis.
Yeah, I'm sorry to hear about your experience with them, and I don't think they have a safe space here.
Gab is a good example of the fediverse kicking the garbage out - they used to federate, but got pretty whiny when everyone defederated them.
Ive heard about that, mostly I've heard Tim pool whining about that (wich was very funny). Thanks. Feels bad to talk about when police kidnapped me for absolutely nothing, and some random person the internet tells you "No, didnt happen lol"
While I understand this user was being inflammatory and gross, "I hope you get the mental health attention you so clearly require." Is not the best way to tell someone they need help. Not saying you are wrong about the user though.
yikes
If the code is not licensed under an ethical license, which I do not like, I'm a supporter of the FOSS movement, and I'm not nothing near as a Nazi/fascist/extremist. So you are literally saying that all devs that work on FOSS project (or anything not licensed under you non-free license) are fascist/Nazis who hate trans people? Okey, and fun fact ethical licenses are not free as in freedom, they are just open source. And about the people behind X project/code/etc I strongly disagree with every extreme idea and I do not support any kind of discrimination based on anything, I believe that respect is the way but sometimes we need to be mature enough to be able to separate the pice from the author, for example if Hitler paintings were amazingly made (I didn't see it, I just using his name as an extreme example) you can't say that his art suck, he can be a Nazi and you can always choose to not support it because ideological/moral reasons, but if he did a good work, he did it (again, this is an example).
And as a closing: Did you know that human rights can't be denied unedr ANY circumstances? Yeah, you talk a lot about you licenses and that stuff. But a fun fact about the human rights is that you can be a miserable person and you always will have your human rights untouched, even the worst of the worst. And I agree that such extremisms of yours is reportable.
that's the point, freedom isn't a good thing
So, what's your solution? Just removing freedom and hoping that it does not end like 1984?
only right-wingers fear 1984
Bruh, have you read it?
Not really. GPL is a left wing license. It literally enforces cooperation, and collaboration, which're communal values, rather than individualism.
the gpl was created by richard stallman, a well known nazi, because of that it tends to attract like-minded people
I dont know if you are trolling or not, but either way you need to stop calling everyone nazi. You have been warned.
bigotry needs to be called out, the fight against hate never stops
Your trolling wont do anything against bigotry.
wrong, my efforts to combat hate have lead to many hateful subreddits being banned, i'm still not on the level of r/AgainstHateSubreddits moderators but i done quite a lot of activism (compiling subreddits for AHS helps a lot, definitely do that if you want to fight hate)
That sounds useful, but trolling Lemmy and calling everyone you dislike a nazi is completely useless.
You can not pretend to go against hate hating every one. That's not how all of this works. Hate will derive in more hate, the same goes with violence. We need to be respectful and open minded in order to fight against hate
Stallman? A nazi? Whatever, but what does it have to do with the GPL license? All GPL code is nazi in your POV or what?
the gpl was created by stallman and he believes the "free/libre" software movement to be an ethical movement, they have everything to do with each other
I can see how libre code can be considered ethic in some pov. But I do not know why? I mean, have you read the GPL? Idk in it terms and conditions it does not say anything about being fascit in order to use it.
Stallman is a Nazi? U WOT M8
A toe jam eating pedo, yes. A nazi I dont think so.
Pedo accusation is too far. He did nothing like the adults that groom kids on Discord, and what he discussed was Romeo Juliet laws. One cannot call him a pedo for that.
Toe jam eater, yes. What I do not like him for is his ignorant views on the Xinjiang situation.
Okay I know people think it's below the belt very frequently, and I understand the desire to give people reasonable doubt. No one wants these allegations levied on them. So we expect a lot of evidence before such an accusation. I have listened to recordings of Richard talking about pedophilia I will not be able to produce for you here. However if you go to stallman.org go to the search bar and type in pedophilia go and read his writings. Go and read the redacted reports from the MIT public mailing list.
Mind you I'm not saying he abused children but he certainly has tried in the past to normalize sexual advances to minors.
This was a bit out of pocket though I was trying to be edgy. Another thing I would like to say is that pedophiles are not morally bankrupt by virtue of being pedophiles. They are morally at fault when they normalize touching children, they are morally at fault when they assault children.
Sorry this got a lot darker than it had to.
Yeah that is fair. Someday I will dig deeper and read a lot about it, as I have only ever skimmed through a fair share before. I have not been highly interested in him and his history, honestly, and just care about the Free Libre movements for software. I care more about the ideals here.
Open source is FAR worse than FOS Software. The ethical licenses are just crap as they removes a part of the user freedom to what ever they want with the software. I'm not any kind of extremist, I believe in respect as a code of conduct, not in over-complicated 2000 pages long codes of conduct.
open source is the future, freedom inevitably leads to fascism and must be stopped at all cost
So... What's your proposal? "Limited freedom"? Your point is that freedom leads to fascim so let's create an opresive, restricted society to do not have fascim?
yikes, go read on the paradox of tolerance and then come back
This is interesting I like it. Fuck the haters. Although I think FOSS has a nazi problem, I don't think it inherent to foss, just admins and moderators want to be reasonable by tolerating the unreasonable to have a bigger platform/reach. I also dont think lemmy never took it serious. I like the content of what you are preaching.
You're saying that this (far far uncomplte) list is all full of fascists? https://wikiless.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_software_packages