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I am sorry but I disagree as the Nazis were most definitely socialists. One it was in their name and 2 it is documented in history through their actions. It is most certainly an uncomfortable truth because the left loves socialism so much but detests the Nazis.
Me personally I think socialism is a disease but think some aspects of it can be good. I dislike both the Nazis and Communists. My politics are a mix of left and right, but generally I am libertarian and so free speech is a main concern of mine. Protecting speech I dislike is actually not really an issue because there is not really any speech I dislike, it is all just words on a screen to me, some I agree some I disagree. There is speech that solely seeks to disrupt like spam or some very bad faith conversation, like low on the pyramid of debate. I wouldn't delete it still and just hide it under some optional filter :-)
On communism I could probably know more but I know they by far killed the most people in history, they won the war against Hitler and where responsible for pushing human progress with the cold war. I am a fan of Oliver Stone by the way :-)
I will seek to read up on the links you provided I don't have time now sorry, I am enjoying talking to you.
It’s a system built on exploitation of others for your own gain, that’s literally the point of it. For someone to rise up in capitalism they need to push others down. It’s also why we’re in a massive environmental crisis.
I am going to have to disagree with you on this. Capitalism is a system of exchange and mutual benefit, yes it can seem people are exploited and in some cases they are but overall capitalism is a very efficient and beneficial system. The most stark example of this is the switch of China from communism to mainly capitalism and the resounding progress they made after.
All of the bad sides of capitalism are because of flawed implementations of it. The costs of the environment not accounted for, the exponential benefits of accrued wealth not penalized, shields from liability like with vaccines and environmental damage, no liability for share holders, too many rights given, like IP rights given for too long or given at all, I am against IP at all :-)! The list is many but the fundamental cause of these problems is a broken political system. To say it in short we do not have democracy and never have. I can go into this with you in depth when I have time, but no problem we have will be fixed unless we can fix our government and free speech is absolutely crucial for that to happen.
Did you even read the article I linked? They did not implement socialist ideals.
And I can call myself "Mr. Nice Guy" but be an asshole in real life. What's your point on the name thing?
don't waste your time trying to reason with people like this. either ban or ignore them.
You prove my point, seeking to ban me because I disagree with you. This line of thought is very communist and at the heart of why communism failed. Let my quickly archive this though so it's more evidence to the problem L-)
You aren't arguing in good faith. This isn't a discussion or a debate. This isn't a disagreement. This is you being a contrarian on the internet in a place you knew you'd disagree with everyone and then when everyone is annoyed by you, you go "look, the left loves censorship!" even though you never had a single intention of changing any views you had.
The truth of the matter is, why would we want to interact with someone like you who is just constantly insisting we're all wrong? You've got plenty of other places you could be, I'm not even sure why you'd want to be here.
This right here is the most succinct outline of OP's initial intent.
As the OP I disagree L-) but hey what would I know about my own opinions and beliefs? Couldn't be more than you? /s
I think I am arguing in reasonable faith. No it was the call to ban me that sad hey look theres censorship. I have changes views, have you?
The point to interact with people you disagree with is to change minds. If I had not intent to have mine changed I would not be here. I found the anticapitalist aspect of the definition of the left quite enlightening.