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Did you even read the article I linked? They did not implement socialist ideals.
And I can call myself "Mr. Nice Guy" but be an asshole in real life. What's your point on the name thing?
don't waste your time trying to reason with people like this. either ban or ignore them.
You prove my point, seeking to ban me because I disagree with you. This line of thought is very communist and at the heart of why communism failed. Let my quickly archive this though so it's more evidence to the problem L-)
You aren't arguing in good faith. This isn't a discussion or a debate. This isn't a disagreement. This is you being a contrarian on the internet in a place you knew you'd disagree with everyone and then when everyone is annoyed by you, you go "look, the left loves censorship!" even though you never had a single intention of changing any views you had.
The truth of the matter is, why would we want to interact with someone like you who is just constantly insisting we're all wrong? You've got plenty of other places you could be, I'm not even sure why you'd want to be here.
This right here is the most succinct outline of OP's initial intent.
As the OP I disagree L-) but hey what would I know about my own opinions and beliefs? Couldn't be more than you? /s
I think I am arguing in reasonable faith. No it was the call to ban me that sad hey look theres censorship. I have changes views, have you?
The point to interact with people you disagree with is to change minds. If I had not intent to have mine changed I would not be here. I found the anticapitalist aspect of the definition of the left quite enlightening.
No I haven't read it I said I didn't have time, I will try now.
So if I look at the conclusion "While their name did include the word βsocialistβ, their policies and treatment of left-wing opponents show they were not socialists in any meaningful sense." The treatment of "left wing" people does not define socialism. Socialism is in part a state organized economy and more, which is what the Nazis had but also in general things done with a view to the society as a whole which the nazis did a lot of, their conquering of Europe is evidence of that. Maybe they were not as socialist as Russia but they were still quite socialist. You can have varying degrees of socialism like all things.
Next point of notice is "Historians have regularly disavowed claims that Hitler adhered to socialist ideology". Hitlers eugenics program is a perfect example of a socialist ideology.
Overall that article is weak, the talk of the Nazis banning parties and other groups is to me also an aspect of socialism, communism behaved the same but worse. Communism and Nazism are both socialist they both require authoritarian power to be enabled. The reason for the lefts dislike of this association is the critical player behind socialism and communism and antifa, the jew, is hated and persecuted in Nazism. The funny thing is this bias is not for some greater good because under socialism far more people and groups are more hated and persecuted and the general outcomes for society far worse. In fact even in socialism the Jew too is hated and persecuted but he must be rich lol. To me it is all insanity stemming from group programming in all of us. You should listen to Bret Weinstein (a jew :-) on it. And if using the word jew makes you uncomfortable well that is the distinct problem of the left. Things do need a label to be discussed and if we can't categorize and discuss things well we are dead as a society. Which maybe that is the goal of the left to handicap our speech and so destroy us through it.
Oh as for the famines in China, they are very very clearly the result of the policies of Mao. Maybe you can say it is was not socialism, but communism that did that and more particularly the dictatorial part of communism after all we have socialist democracies too. But the fact remains China was well stuck in a hole until they most though-roughly abandoned much of socialism....
Nice talking