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whats so bad? the screenshot doesnt tell me whats so bad about protonmail. and the "market speak" is the same kind of marketing proton is known for, atleast since ive been using it, and as far as the posts suggests nothing related to the encryption at a technical level has changed.
source?
Already happened: https://lemmy.ml/post/79956
That would have been a better link than what was provided in this thread. This whole thread is ridiculously scatterbrained. Instead of a link, there's a screenshot, be and a paragraph that is deeply unclear. If all email is not secure, what does that have to do with protonmail in particular or with their screenshot?
And what's wrong with activist resistance in Hong Kong, Belarus and Myanmar? I don't know much about the latter two, although a quick trip to the wiki suggests to me that political activism there is a good thing, not a bad thing. And I definitely feel that Hong Kong activism was a good thing and not a bad thing. And what do those have to do with Protonmail in particular, or with the U.S. in particular?
I'm not even saying it's wrong, but for goodness sake, at least explain this argument or link to something that unpacks all these arguments because this is a complete mess. The post itself doesn't make sense without additional explanation, and these cryptic one liner responses make things even more confusing.
Edit: I'm seeing this on lemmy.ml, but I guess since this was posted on lemmygrad.ml, it may make a degree of sense for those political positions to be taken for granted, although I don't share them.
'good' and 'bad' are usually relative and open for debate. political ideas and judgements are best kept to certain times, places, and groups. Everyone has heard, i'd guess, that it is in bad taste to discuss religion or politics at a big family gathering table/dinner - such as Thanks Giving in America, as an example. I've seen my dad get into some uncomfortable debates at the dinner table with male relatives over 30 or 40 years old. I'd like to see more or even all businesses be neutral and simply 'do right' in their own dealings - be good to customers, staff, the environment, animals, etc. Start with a PERSONAL revolution and improve yourselves.
"Was slavery bad?"
"start with a PERSONAL resolution and improve yourself!"
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If it interferes with a person's freedom, property, or life, then one is a victim and the other the criminal. There are many shades of gray; nothing is all black or all white (all or nothing).
I'd like for more people to be polite enough to not impose their views on others. If you live a great life and are a great person, I will look at what makes YOU different and try to emulate those wonderful traits. No need to slam your ideas in my face (or knock on my door with pamphlets). Too many people fool themselves that they know best.
Can you elaborate on the shades of gray when it comes to the issue of slavery being right or wrong?
It's not all black and white, I feel like I know the negative parts but perhaps you can help me out by elaborating on the positive parts.
nice way to twist my words. how smart you must feel
Zero twisting of words whatsoever. You just haven't fully thought through the implications of your own beliefs. When your beliefs are applied to slavery, they produce a position you don't want to defend, and you claim it's "twisting" your words.
The truth is you just haven't thought this through.
I don't recall ever saying or thinking slavery is okay. I may need to go back to see what the hell i wrote....but, am so used to people WANTING to read or hear or take things wrong that ...its just too much trouble. I am no drama queen.
The takeaway is it's upholding of color revolutions and nationalist movements.
Contrary to what many people in the West say, everything has politics to a degree, whether it be explicit or implicit. This thinking is unfortunately very prevalent in tech communities. The cries to keep politics out of things simply does not make sense; ambivalency and apoliticalness is a form of political expression which, in its nature of "not caring," gives way to the dominant political ideology of the ruling class and it's state power over society.
In this case, claiming to be for "privacy" and "activists" while citing explicitly money being funneled into pro-capitalist and nationalist movements pushed for by the ruling class, is hypocritical and is the result of what I said above. It shows their true colors and how untrustworthy they are, where their allegiances lie with the ruling class. Their upholding of Western capitalism means they cannot be trusted with actual liberation movements of the masses, of privacy from the insidious arms of the State, and actual freedom for the many.
The takaway is that Protonmail and anyone who pays for their services is an active terrorism enabler in Hong Kong and Belarus. I'm surprised they don't fund Islamic extremists in Xinjiang too after hearing that.
I'm all for Hong Kong and Belarus being their own state/autonomous, but most companies should not take sides - certainly not so publicly.
be the change you want to see. live right and be happy enough and successful doing so that people want to emulate you, be like you. teach without words. people who preach are generally the biggest hypocrites. stop telling others to do the right thing and just do the right thing yourself.