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Looks like r/antiwork mods made the subreddit private in response to this post

This fiasco highlights that such forums are vulnerable to the whims of a few individuals, and if those individuals can be subverted than the entire community can be destroyed. Reddit communities are effectively dictatorships where the mods cannot be held to account, recalled, or dismissed, even when community at large disagrees with them.

This led me to think that Lemmy is currently vulnerable to the same problem. I'm wondering if it would make sense to brainstorm some ideas to address this vulnerability in the future.

One idea could be to have an option to provide members of a community with the ability to hold elections or initiate recalls. This could be implemented as a special type post that allows community to vote, and if a sufficient portion of the community participates then a mod could be elected or recalled.

This could be an opt in feature that would be toggled when the community is created, and would be outside the control of the mods from that point on.

Maybe it's a dumb idea, but I figured it might be worth having a discussion on.

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[โ€“] [email protected] -2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (3 children)

Very true. GrapheneOS community sockpuppeting, as I proved, or the recent anti Semite /pol/ brigading observed here, are fantastic examples of how anonymity abusers can work around voting systems and comment/post/user representation numbers.

I call these people "anonymity abusers" because that is what they do, and they do it to me. I experience it and I document it. I have to screenshot everything, and be swift and vigilant. It takes effort. But I do it because I do not want others to face this stuff.

And that also means "democracy" has to ironically stem from morally correct benevolent authoritarianism, because anonymity presents us with this paradoxical situation. There just does not exist any other way for handful humans at the moment. This is probably also why socialism is so important, and demonstrates the problems with individualism in society. Maybe someday with AI and automated systems we could do better, but those are far away in time, and requires AI to also not be morally corrupt or practically faulty.

[โ€“] [email protected] -4 points 3 years ago (1 children)

ATTENTION LEMMY I THE JOKER AM A BIG FAT F@GGOT

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)

@[email protected] I need to alert you on this one. This user @[email protected] is not the same as me, the moderator of c/technology or c/privacy or c/privatelife.

We have an example of yet another clever impersonation attack, this time using other federated instances.

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their account

[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

disabled that account from here

looks like deleting the comment didn't go through though

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

Thanks a lot! These anonymity abusers are horrible.

[โ€“] [email protected] -5 points 3 years ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago

Another anonymity abuser hiding behind other instances. Sigh.

proof