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I believe the devs of GrapheneOS have tailored their requirements to target Google Pixel phones for one simple reason: there aren't enough devs to help them support other phones. They probably owned Pixels and started development on them, got specialized in them and didn't want to branch out as that costs lots of time.
There's nothing wrong with that. The only issue I find with their reasoning is all the claims they make of Google Pixels being the only secure Android phones in existence. It's detrimental because non-techies will just repeat that to death because they don't know better - just like Appholes repeating that iPhones are the most secure phones out there and Apple cares about privacy. It's free advertisement for Google. So people head out and give Google more money than their data would ever be worth and they do it repeatedly every few years because it's "common knowledge" that Google Pixels are the most secure phones out there.
The worst thing about that is that Google didn't have to do anything. Had Google made those claims, people would be wary, but this is an independent group and because of that, people give it credence.
Not saying GrapheneOS is a shit project - it definitely isn't, just the claims and free advertisement these devs are giving Google is bad.
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Pixels have the most secure hardware features and they are the only ones that allow for bootloader relocking with custom os. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.
Again, I've relocked multiple phones with custom ROMs. If you choose to believe everything you're told, keep being blue eyed.
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Additionally, relockable bootloader ≠ full verified boot, but i doubt you even know what that means.
your personal experience from 20 years ago is irrelevant. its not possible today. tell me a phone where it is.
I have to agree that i too hate the devs saying pixel is the most secure but i disgree that google gets more money from pixels than our data .
Hmm... is your data worth 300€ every 3-4 years? This would indicate not. There are probably other sources, but 100€/year for your data = ~8€/month for your data. I'd find that hard to believe, but will gladly be proven otherwise.
In any case, even if it were > 100€/year, giving them that amount is like a present despite trying to degoogle yourself.
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You are thinking the wrong way a phone like pixel would cost that much to make, transport, advertise etc in fact i think pixel is the best hardware you can get in that price range and google is only selling it at that price because they wanna be big in market and also tgey can bloat their own software to the phone aldready .
Google Pixel 8 costs 600€-900€...
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And ? It has specks that match its money .
Are you aware of the context of your own discussion? You're arguing a completely different point.
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May I ask why you put a creative commons licence link in all your comments? Is it because of Reddit's recent activities?
It is indeed because of AI training, but it wasn't prompted by reddit as I've been doing it for longer than the recent announcement. It was prompted by CoPilot (Microsoft/Github's AI for coding). There's an ongoing case about them using licensed, opensource code that hasn't been settled yet.
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Okay. Show me another secure android OEM.
What phone hardware to you suggest as a replacement from a security perspective?
TL;DR Unless you're being persecuted, I'd say the most important criteria is picking a modern phone actively supported by a ROM. Samsung, OnePlus, LG, FairPhone, ... they're all fine.
What's your threat model? Most likely, if you're just a normal dude, the most you'll have to fear is someone stealing your phone and trying to replace the OS on the phone. Probably every modern Android phone protects against that with secure boot. If somebody wants to read your data, IINM every modern Android phone has encryption activated by default meaning so do modern ROMs.
If you have somebody knowledgeable enough to start attacking your phone by opening it and messing with hardware, you've got an entirely different problem and if they want to get in, they will. Either physically through you (a wrench can reveal your password), a 0-day (iPhones were hacked through iMessage by text messages the user never saw aka zero click), or through some yet unrevealed vulnerability if you're that important.
Without relockable bootloader you might as well disable encryption, as its possible for any attacker even for a thief to unlock your "secure" device by flashing any cracker zip.
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