Banned from c/vegan for this one. My bad.
Captions: Anakin Padme 4-panel:
- "I'm going to make everyone go vegan and eat soybeans."
- "So we won't destroy any more ecosystems, right?"
- ...
- "We won't destroy any more ecosystems, right?"
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Omnivoro don't mean that we can live with only vegetables in our food and stay healthy in the long run. Because there are food components that our body needs and that are not contained in vegetable foods or only in insufficient quantities. But these components are found in foods of animal origin in highly concentrated quantities and for this reason they must be part of the diet in reduced quantities. For this reason, a healthy diet for us is not vegan, but a so-called vegetarian one, which includes animal products such as milkproducts (cheese, yogurt), eggs, especially in childhood and youth. We can also eat meat and fish, but this should be occasional foods. In nature, all herbivorous animals necessarily have a much longer intestine than we do, in order to extract enough nutrients from vegetables, or like ruminants, several stomachs where the necessary proteins are provided by bacteria formed in the fermentation of vegetables (that is, a cow in the background also feeds on animal proteins, that of bacteria)
https://empoweredsustenance.com/is-vegan-healthy/
https://www.foodandwine.com/news/german-nutritionists-say-veganism-isnt-healthy
https://www.laurelofleaves.com/2012/04/a-vegan-diet-is-not-healthy/ etc..
Sorry, but false dichotomy/strawman here: I never said you should only eat vegetables, nor would any vegan I can think of. What I say is that maybe you don't have to eat meat/eggs/diary products to have enough iron, B12 and what not. Do people substitute those when living vegan? Most surely they do, yes. Does that make an unhealthy diet? I don't think so, no.
Also, what would distinguish a "so called" vegetarian diet from a real one?
First the vegetarian diet include animal products, the vegan don't, that is the significant difference. Yes, we can eat as omnivoros also a diet based in vegetables, but not only, we can't sufficiently metabolize the necessary nutrients of a strictly vegetable diet. Just like other omnivores. A dog, a bear, a pig, and even our closest relatives, the chimpanzee, can eat vegetables, but they have to supplement this diet from time to time with animal protein to stay healthy. Of course, a strict vegan can make up for these deficiencies with the intake of supplements, vitamins, proteins and trace elements, but I don't know, a diet that must be accompanied with pills, at least for me, is far from being healthy, sustainable and balanced.
@Zerush @Aarkon Where do pills come from? Are they certified vegan?
As I said before, the most used complement is yeast, by definition not vegan, because are bacterias, others are complements of vitamines and trace elements, made by the industry, obtained in artificial manner.
How is yeast not vegan? Also, yeast is not bacteria, but rather fungi. Vegans do not eat animals and animal derived products. Fungi, bacteria, plants, protozoa and all that stuff is not animals, although they are living things.
And what is wrong with artificially produced complements?
Yeast, also used in the elaboration af bread, beer and other alcoholic drinks, is a bacteria, not fungi. Artificial products are not generally bad, but for example sintetic vitaminic and mineralic complex are not so good metabolized as these in natural products, because they lacks of other substances which helps the own metabolism. More simple, you can't substitude a lemon by a citric acid or ascorbic acid (vit.C). pill. Fungi also isn't a plant, it's a own specie between flora and fauna, because of this also not accepted by strict vegans.
All of the living in this planet have the same bioquimic base, the human isn't a exception, he also is a colective of billons of specialized living cells, apart ~3kg of bacterias in our intestine, without we can't live. We have in 70% the same DNA as a Onion.
Wow, doubling down for some reason. Not eating animals doesn't mean only plants, and yeast is a fungus. Yep the one in beer, bread, extracts, etc. It is a single celled fungus and vegan by absolutely everyone's definition.
Fungus isn't a vegetal in the strict sense, because of this, it isn't vegan.
You are completely misunderstanding the vegan diet. As I and @[email protected] said before, being vegan only means you abstain from animals and animal derived products. You can eat everything that wasn't obtained from animals. So there's nothing wrong with eating fungi. Some mushrooms, are in fact a very rich source of proteins.
I am not misunderstanding the veganism, I know that some vegans also include mushrooms as option, depends of a personal preference to exclude only animal products or limiting the diet to pure vegetables. The last can't include Fungi, because they are not really vegetables. Anyway nor of the vegetable protein has the same cuality of these of animals. Plant proteinas, most in legumes and nuts, not so in Fungi, are much more simple in their composition and not so well assimilated by ourmetabolism, becaise of this the needed complements in the diet.
I guess it is time to be blunt. You don't know the basic definition of veganism. You don't have a firm grasp on how life is classified (you are right mushrooms aren't plants, but no one said they were). You don't seem to fully understand proteins and metabolism. None of that is a problem. We are all learning all the time. You could gain that knowledge by taking a minute to do an internet search to see if you might not be completely right. These are things that I am very familiar with and I still did a quick check for changing definitions and new science before I responded.
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@Faresh @Zerush Don't artificially created products generally harm the environment a bit more than regular food products? I mean not all the time and not that much harmful but a least one degree more hafumul. Like more heat oand CO2 emissions.