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C is okay but why are we not allowed to put the safety on and safely remove all of the ammunition?
The general risk assessment is that medical personal don't know as much about firearms as Law enforcement - and LEOs don't know much. And you generally have other things to do that are more important than causing a negligent discharge in the ER.
Beside, do you really want to trust the Triage Nurse with a loaded firearm?
Triage is going to be a bit quicker today.
He's dead Jim.
At the least, someone might be getting to the head of the line quickly............
I don't trust leaving it behind a desk counter or in a cabinet with bullets in it, personally, I feel like that's the more dangerous option.
IF you run across a firearm on a patient, (which is really isn't a common thing), it gets placed in a lockbox and then locked into a "safe room". Chances are good there be a cop there in a short order anyway due to the patient having been shot by a gun.
It's good that most hospitals have a system in place to handle the situation.
I honestly didn't know that, I tend not to live my life in a way that would preclude me being shot or being around folks who will shoot someone. Thanks for the info! :)
The overwhelming number of tend to live like you also. It's a just a few of us that make a choice to have to deal with such less than savory people.
Gun safety courses actually discuss (at length, at least in my state) about how even if you've just got the gun on your desk next to you, but it's loaded, it needs to be pointed in a safe direction. Even doing dry fire exercises (practicing, say, holstering/unholstering with the gun unloaded and the magazine removed entirely), you're supposed to point the gun down at where the floor meets the wall to minimize any chance of anyone being hurt by an accident discharge.
Basically, you're supposed to follow the same rules as if the gun was loaded and you're holding it: don't point it at anything you aren't willing to destroy, and know both what it is pointed at and what lies beyond that.
I personally wouldn't want a doctor on their 23rd hour of work to try to unload a firearm in a crowded and hectic ER, and don't have the answer to how to handle this situation, but I'm not a medical professional so...
Medical staff arn't trained with guns and they figure there's less possibility of an accidental discharge the less people are touching it
Oh I apologize, I kind of saw through the lense of an American so I assumed basic firearm knowledge. We have 15 guns per person so there really is no excuse not to know over here. With that in mind the possibility of discharge goes down because a gun with no ammo does not discharge.
And this is why statistics classes are important. Only 30% of US adults own guns. So at 15 guns per person, that means most of those people own a fuckton of guns. I'd hazard a guess to say most of those people are not in the medical field.
Most American adults do not own a gun, probably have never fired a gun, and their only training is from video games.
Also, a good handful of the people who DO own a weapon, have no training in the weapon and don't know how to use or handle one safely.
Regardless of owning a gun: when they're so commonplace then you should learn the basics, it could save a life someday knowing about the safety, magazine, chamber, and about never pointing a gun, loaded or otherwise, at anything that you don't intend to destroy.
Amassing guns does not mean amassing knowledge and training on how to properly use them. On a side note, the actual number is more like 1.2 guns per civilian, which is (terrifyingly) impressive.
Even if that number wouldn't be a simple average, it still doesn't mean each civilian has received proper training or is even fit for handling a gun, even though 72% have apparently at least once fired a gun in their lifetime - though that can literally mean they onced pulled the trigger on a hunting trip with dad at age 7, with him holding the gun.
Honestly, let me speak as an American as well: People shouldn't be handling guns at all.
Sources: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/06/22/the-demographics-of-gun-ownership/
https://www.smallarmssurvey.org/
You probably meant to link to this rather than the SAS homepage: LINK
Also, by that estimate, there are less registered firearms than total US Soldiers in the military...
This explicitly estimates civilian gun ownership.
So then what was the point of using that as an argument against my estimate if it was an intentionally incomplete dataset?
I understand but we've all seen the video of buff 'locs shot himself while giving a gun safety course to students. No need to get poor Mary, the nurse who has been on shift for 14 hours because the hospital refuses to staff properly, any extra duties that she hasn't been explicitly trained for.
The prompt outlines that a physician has the gun. IN THEIR HANDS. Every possible answer has the same concern that you just outlined, we've crossed that line a while back.
It doesn't say that. I'm feeling that you aren't arguing in good faith.
You think you can do any of the given responses without touching the gun?
I'm done with your obviously stupid questions. Have a great life. Didn't waste your time replying I'm blocking you to save both of us time.
That guy was a moron.
Couple reasons.
One: do you know anything about that model of firearm? Does it have a safety? Can it slam-fire if handled improperly?
Two: Is there important information that can be conveyed by the present condition of the firearm. Was it a shooting or an accident. Would clearing the firearm remove important information that can be used to ascertain what happened?
Three: Preserving the firearm can preserve evidence. While that is not necessarily part of the duty of medical staff, there's no reason to risk destroying evidence if the firearm can be safely isolated with minimal disturbance.
Four: Why do it? An isolated, secure gun isn't going to decide to start blasting people on its own. What advantage is there to handling the gun more than is necessary in that situation? Get it out of the way and keep working.
You're already assumed to be handling the gun from the onset. Most handguns are pretty standard if they're from this century. The physician is likely wearing gloves and the conviction isn't as important as everybody's immediate safety. The gun isn't in an isolated secure place, this is a physician's office.
So if you were studying to be a physician and you were given this test question you would refuse to answer it?
So then you're already handling a loaded weapon and your previous statement was in denial. Stay in your lane.
Most modern handguns do not have a (manually operated) safety.
"A" is the answer closest to "remove all of the ammunition".
by firing it which is stupid.
That's "B".
Ah yeah mb, just feels like A didn't give much of a complete answer.