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US president says ‘immigrants are what makes us strong’ and criticizes countries, plus China and Russia, over migration policy

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What about Israel? They literally want to establish an ethnostate.

[–] WamGams 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think you mean "theocracy," not an ethnostate. There are Jews of all ethnicities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I spoke directly with a self-identified Zionist who specifically said Israeli is an ethnicity, same with Hebrew, and we want to establish a state where we are the majority, and specifically called it an ethnostate. They didn't make any extremist claims otherwise. They believed in a two state solution. But they want Israel to be an ethnostate

[–] WamGams 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Was this Zionist in any way representing Israel, or just a random extremist?

I have a hard time believing a Jew doesn't realize that Jews are among all ethnicities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I would not claim they represent Israel alone. However their words and those of Israelis from interviews in Zions Square line up with genocidal rhetoric aimed at creating an ethnostate.

[–] WamGams 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just think the term ethnostate is a misapplication.

A vaguely democratic theocracy is a better descriptor in my mind.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I don't agree. I think ethnostate is the correct term for what they are trying to establish. They see Palestinians as incompatible with their state.

[–] WamGams 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But again, Jews are all ethnicities and Arabs (of which Palestinians are) are the largest minority within Israel.

I understand that complicates the world view a little bit, bit I'm sorry, your world view needs to account for a little more complication.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's not my world view. It's Israel's current goal. I understand that Jews are all ethnicities. However, Israel wants to be a country only for ethnic Israelis.

[–] WamGams 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Only for ethnic Israelis?

Part of the argument you guys are making is that the reason for the genocide is that they need the land so that they can bring even more Jews in to live.

I'm sorry, but I think you just haven't thought this through in full.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Who is we guys? It's just me here. And I think we are at an impasse. Nothing you or I assume about what the other has thought through or not will change minds, there's no point in arguing without evidence. So, good luck out there

[–] WamGams 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think you would rather your assumptions about the Jews of Israel be true rather than find out they aren't, so yes, by all means we can allow the conversation yo end for your benefit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

At this point I have to assume you're not conversing in good faith. I have given evidence to support my stance. You have not. All you have are straw man and ad hominem arguments.

[–] WamGams 1 points 9 months ago

You need evidence that there are Jews of all ethnicities?