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90% of Ukrainians support joining EU, 73% support joining NATO (www.eurointegration.com.ua)

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Everything you’ve been claiming about the conflict has turned out to be false

Remember when you were claiming that it wouldn't happen at all? And I was more cautious, saying that it was too early to call it either way? Then Russia invaded.

The facts are that western powers ran a coup in Ukraine that set the ground for the current events.

No, they really didn't. I don't care how many times people post that one transcript, the 2014 overthrow was carried out by Ukrainians. The only public record shows that foreign governments had relatively minor involvement on the periphery.

majority of the people in eastern Ukraine do not support western backed regime

You sure? I know the Russian backed separatists claim this, but is this actually known to be true? Hard to tell when there's a combination of an occupying force and separatists that were armed by that force. Also, some of those cities in eastern Ukraine that you're saying don't support the current government were just getting the shit beat out of them by Russia. Assuming that their support is entirely up to their ethnicity and native language seems a little presumptuous.

This regime never had a chance to win a war against Russia, and all western support for the regime is simply prolonging the agony for people in Ukraine. Useful idiots, such as yourself, are helping prolong western public support for this nightmare.

Well I want Russia to get hurt bad by this war. If they're not, they're just going to come back for more and more and more as evidenced by the weak response to Georgia and Crimea. I want this to be this generation's Afghanistan, their US-Vietnam War. A war that makes a whole generation a little more hesitant to waltz across their neighbor's borders and start murdering.

Maybe you should take your own advice and ask where you yourself are being manipulated, and why the war is not turning out the way you thought it would.

I don't know how this war will come out. You frequently claim how it's going to inevitably going to come out, but I've shied away from that. There are too many variables. And I know full well that people are trying to manipulate me, and sometimes I make mistakes.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Remember when you were claiming that it wouldn’t happen at all? And I was more cautious, saying that it was too early to call it either way? Then Russia invaded.

Sure, I didn't think there would be a war. I've stated my reasons for that clearly.

No, they really didn’t. I don’t care how many times people post that one transcript, the 2014 overthrow was carried out by Ukrainians. The only public record shows that foreign governments had relatively minor involvement on the periphery.

Yes, they really do. Every serious person in the west including people like Chomsky, Mearsheimer, and now even Kissinger say this. The fact that you continue to deny this shows just how divorced from reality you are on your media diet of propaganda.

You sure?

Yeah, I'm sure. My mother's side of the family is from Ukraine, I know people who actually live in Ukraine. The fact that westerners like you who don't speak the language, and know nothing about the country continue bleating nonsense is incredibly infuriating to watch.

Well I want Russia to get hurt bad by this war

They won't be. This is clear to anyone who understands anything about his conflict. On the other hand, the west is being hurt tremendously by this war already. You can keep dreaming of your fantasies, but as everything else you say, they're divorced from reality.

I don’t know how this war will come out. You frequently claim how it’s going to inevitably going to come out, but I’ve shied away from that. There are too many variables. And I know full well that people are trying to manipulate me, and sometimes I make mistakes.

I simply follow what actual military, political, and economic experts say. None of them are shying from predicting the outcome of this.