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Gotta love DRM that makes paid versions of games worse than pirated stuff.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

we're seen as evil because we're helping DRM exist and we're ensuring people make money out of games

No, you’re seen as evil because your software is an inefficient and invasive security risk that makes games significantly worse, and compromises/punishes your paying customers in the quest for more money.

I no longer pirate games (thanks to Steam), but I’ll never buy one with Denuvo.

Fuck allllll the way off.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 2 years ago (3 children)

COO says coming benchmarks will show anti-piracy tech has no performance impact.

They do decryption and network calls during runtime. Computers are not magic, you cannot do additional processing, call on external resources and not have a performance impact. I will never trust when they say this, not once ever. They have a vested interest in convincing people of this even if it's simply not possible.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Resident Evil Village was a good example of that. People tested the two versions, and the cracked one was significantly faster on all runs. Even media reported on it.

https://www.pcgamer.com/resident-evil-village-drm-denuvo-stuttering/

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They even ended up removing denuvo from resident evil because of the performance issues

https://www.pcgamer.com/capcom-removes-denuvo-from-resident-evil-village/

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well... modern computers have crypto accelerating instructions, and games rarely use all the cores to their full potential, offloading as much as they can to the GPU instead, while network traffic is relatively minimal, so it is possible to run a lot of stuff on the same computer without impacting the performance of the game itself.

That doesn't fix the rest of the problems, though.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Sure if the person's PC is well beyond what is required they won't notice it, but I've played on old and underpowered PCs with bad internet connections enough not to assume that there will be always plentiful resources to spare.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

on a modern PC doing that is almost entirely trivial if implemented correctly, I hate DRM but to be honest they may be right that it has no appreciable effect on the final performance of the product for the vast majority of users. Of course that's dependent on proper implementation, what are the odds these folks at Denuvo can do that? pretty low.

Activation limits and compatibility are the biggest issues for me.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If you are treating your paying customers worse than someone you perceive as stealing from you, you are doing something seriously wrong.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Piracy is just a fancy word for price sensitivity.

Photoshop would not have the market dominance that it enjoys if college kids where not pirating it for a decade.

My son knows how to model in blender because a 12 yr old cannot afford maya. In a generation blender will own the space. He will never use maya.

Napster created a generation of music fans that put way more money into the industry than previous generations ever did.

A certain amount of loss should be tolerable, because it is often the pathway to future growth. A pirated copy isn’t a lost sale, it’s your investment in the next generation of consumers

[–] esty 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm honestly shocked Adobe hasn't tried to capitalize on the people who pirate from them, considering they're the one company where the service is good and the cost is not

Do you know how much they'd take in if they had a yet cheaper tier for certain apps with a 'personal use only' clause or something? Probably a fuck ton if i had to guess

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

I know right. The fuck should I pay 10/mo to use Lightroom as a hobby photographer who will never make a dime off my images? 25-50/yr and I would never even look at the alternatives.

The free hobby license for fusion 360 means I am sort of locked in to auto desk CAD software because it is all I have used for years now. Big win right?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

As long as it's as effective as it is, they'll keep using it.

For example, the latest FIFA game that was cracked is FIFA 19. The rest are still safe thanks to Denuvo.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago (8 children)

Yeah, but that might just be that no one cares enough about the FIFA games to waste energy cracking them, not because of Denuvo specifically.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

If enough people want a game with denuvo to be cracked, it gets cracked.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago

It's hard to see something that gets in the way of my ability to enjoy games as not evil. After all, I'm not getting paid and profiting from my inconvenience of the product I bought. Why would I care about some corporate spiel justifying why to make the product worse for me. Pay me and then I'll nod my head. Otherwise I just want my product to work unhindered. It's not an act of charity that I bought the game.

Until then using handheld like the steam deck and encountering issues like license renewals getting in the way of playing offline reminds me my product is inferior to cracked versions. Or stuff like denuvo getting in the way of some people playing their games due to activation limitations.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/678960/discussions/0/3764480479613668556/

Whats next. Phone manufacturers actually expecting me to believe they are looking out for me by making third party replacements impossible, and have to opt for first party service that makes fixing my old phone more expensive than buying a new one?

Go play in traffic denuvo.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago

Glad to see this vile malware finally catching some serious flak.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

I would download a car and 3D print it. I would NOT download Denuvo and add an(other) backdoor to my kernel.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

I just switched to only buying games on GoG. Yeah, i dont have the same selection and miss out on a lot of games, but there are enough quality games on GoG to fill my backlog.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Yeah and Skoal really wants to convince you cigarettes arent bad for you

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Good luck. DRM in the hands of corporations will pretty much always be used for evil.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Hey umm… I’m water and I’m not wet.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Start off with something simpler, like convincing me water isn't wet or the earth is flat

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