With no place to spread their hate speech I worry that the Fediverse will become invested with these people. I'm not looking forward to the prospect of being confronted with their sad bs.
this post was submitted on 10 Jan 2021
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As far as I know such instances already exist, they get blocked by every instance that doesn't tolerate hate speech.
Pretty much, some of the instances are whitelist only, so they block all instances and the administrator/users shop around for other instances to whitelist and contact the said instances to whitelist them also.
That sounds like a pretty good way to do it.
Yeah, this way the troll instances can create all of the instances they want, but they can't just butt themselves into a whitelist only federated network.
It'd be nice to have a list of these sites so one can find out who they may want to block. Know any?
It's probably easier to go about it the other way around, rather than finding a list to block, why not make a list to whitelist? This way, you can shop around for instances that have solid policy and moderation practices and just whitelist those, if you regularly curate the list, you can get some pretty solid networking effect going.
I'm not aware of such a list.
I don't know why other replies to you are treating this like a hard question.... If we're talking Mastodon, every instance has an about section that lists all the sites they block.
I think every fediverse tool lets hosts limit who they connect to.
TBH I'm not sure it'll happen though, why did they create gab, then parler, instead of using mastodon, IMO because they want an echo chamber, so would rather follow the latest right-wing grifter than join established communities.
Gab actually started to use Mastodon but were quickly cut off from the network. Not sure what they are doing now.
I’m not looking forward to the prospect of being confronted with their sad bs.
Me neither. The admins on this instance will try to ban facists as they come in and remove their content.
Keep on the lookout everyone, we'll appoint more mods if we have to in order to ban them faster.
Will do!
Even though I won't miss Parler, this sentence right here:
We’re going to try our best to get back online as quickly as possible. But we’re having a lot of trouble because every vendor we talk to says they won’t work with us. Because if Apple doesn’t approve and Google doesn’t approve, they won’t.
Is either alarming or idiotic. You can't tell me there's literally no small hosting company or right-wing lawyer out there who'd take you? That's what you get for putting all your eggs in one basket (or all your content on one hoster's servers).
You can’t tell me there’s literally no small hosting company or right-wing lawyer out there who’d take you?
Their dataset and traffic are massive. I doubt many small hosts can handle them.
Then they should either reduce their dataset and traffic or find a medium sized host. Or use multiple hosts and build a CDN themselves. It's technically possible, they just don't seem to have the expertise or the money, because smaller hosts may take more money for such a big deployment.
How is gab.com hosting then? Maybe they should talk to their provider?
Epikkk do a lot of the right-wing hosting, they will probably end up hosting Parler
To quote Thor from Juniper Lee:
"Ordering pity party of one please, your table is ready. Tonights special is an oven roasted fillet of poor me served on a delightful bed of cry me a river "
"Don't forget our signature desert: I'm the victim in this with caramel sauce!"
interesting
i've literally never heard of this social network, yet apparently people are selling iphones with the parler app still installed for thousands of dollars 🤔
i’ve literally never heard of this social network, yet apparently people are selling iphones with the parler app still installed for thousands of dollars
Some late stage capitalism right here
ahh that would be so dope to capitalize on conservative boomer ignorance.
Yeeah... But the people who had iPhones with Parler on them probably aren't the best people either.
Maybe, actually I know nothing about the apple ecosystem but on android it would just involve sideloading the apk. Gab is going to start selling phones with GrapheneOS loaded for probably a huge markup. A fool and their money...
on android it would just involve sideloading the apk
It's much harder on iOS and would require connecting your device to a developer account.
Here's how it got hacked btw:
It seems that this reddit comment is acutally bullshit. According to the one that actually did the archiving:
only things that were available publicly via the web were archived. i don't have you e-mail address, phone or credit card number. unless you posted it yourself on parler.
It might sound controversial, but the right wing deserves their own social network, and i think the actions of the widely known GAFAT are not something that we should mindlessly support, because the fact that their interests find coincidences with ANTIFA's principles doesn't mean they strive for human rights or that they care.
Right wing politics deserve their own social media for several reasons, but not all of these are convenient for them. Donald Trump loved Twitter because it gave him a big platform where he could reach people outside of his bigoted and conservative politics. With a niche social network like Parler, you objectively only reach conservative minded people, and they are, at this moment, not the majority.
This could be applied to the fediverse as well tho.
the right wing deserves their own social network
Not if they use it to, for example, incite violence, which is the current issue with Parler.
I agree. People are missing the bigger picture here: it only takes the cooperation of 5 or 6 ISPs to kill you. Piss them off and you are done. Could you imagine a world in which some religious nut jobs work their way up the ranks in places like Google and Facebook? There is already foreshadowing of this in places like China.
This big tech censorship is already used against the left. Pro-palestine, anti-imperialist and anti-fascist stuff is banned. This will always be the case. If it's going to exist against people struggling for freedom, i have no issue with it existing against fringe reactionary groups.
but the right wing deserves their own social network,
Nah. The dangerous right wing elements who seek out services like Parler are seriously dangerous people. If they can't have a network without attempting a fascist coup, i'm fine with it's suspension.
I think this is a good thing for society, right? On one hand , their fascist/racist/etc. speech is clearly causing serious problems. On the other hand, their speech wont go away but instead be driven to less and less public places -- which prevents counter speech but also makes it harder to find and possibly radicalize people. But then again , counter speech doesn't really seem to be working. In this particular case , I agree -- parler needed to go but I am curious what people here think... does the precedent scare anyone? any concerns about what else could be banned going forward?
Counter speech requires orders of magnitude more effort to create, so the type of low effort posts that radicalize people will always win out among populations susceptible to radicalization. I think deplatforming bigots is completely justified but it is worrying that a handful of people get to control what the rest of us speak about. Decentralization is the obvious way forward because while bigots may keep their platform they can be shunned by other communities and it will be harder for them to radicalize people in communities who don't want them because they will have smaller, more hands-on moderation teams and less profit-motive.
De-platforming, works to prevent recruitment and peel away those on the pipeline that haven't eaten the whole pill yet.
I think Mozilla's suggestions
- Reveal who is paying for advertisements, how much they are paying and who is being targeted.
- Commit to meaningful transparency of platform algorithms so we know how and what content is being amplified, to whom, and the associated impact.
- Turn on by default the tools to amplify factual voices over disinformation.
- Work with independent researchers to facilitate in-depth studies of the platforms’ impact on people and our societies, and what we can do to improve things.
Are similar, they can help peel away the un-pilled (by exposing them to facts and logic) and expose those behind this, which might even disillusion a few pilled fokes (e.g oh it turns out I'm not risking arrest for the poor and downtrodden, just for a bunch of business owners, who wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire)
However I don't think anything is going to address the pilled, except removing their political base, which IMO can be done in part addressing the conditions in rural America, basically replacing FDRs new deal, that Nixon revoked. e.g https://berniesanders.com/issues/revitalizing-rural-america/
I think without the political base they claim to represent's support, they become just a small cult of whackjobs that can be more or less ignored.
Yeah , here is hoping they turn into a small cult. I think so much about current events is concerning; however, the thing that gets me the most 'freaked out' is the over all trend. I think it is unlikely that "trumpism" will go away with the de platforming of him + some others + parlor -- I hope I am wrong. When I look at the radicalization of the right (anecdotally) it seems to be trending 'extremely' vs. 'moderately'. I already see people saying that the right is being silences -- which feeds into their message of "poor us" the "liberal cartel" is censoring us, etc... so, I think the next 6 months - 1 year will be really telling. We will see if the systematic de-platforming of individuals promoting violence and conspiracy theories is effective at 'calming' things down and , ideally, preventing more violence. As I mentioned in my first post , I do think this is the right move -- I am just not 100% it is going to play out the way I hope it does. @[email protected] thanks for links -- I don't have time to watch the video now but I will check it out later tonight.