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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 years ago (4 children)

Next up: system76 builds their own kernel from scratch to guarantee compatibility with their hardware

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 years ago (1 children)

They mentioned using existing components to build the desktop (mutter and wlroots), so they are reusing some stuff .

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

Yeah, would've very much surprised me, if they didn't. They're not that big of a vendor to just drop an entirely new desktop environment.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago

I mean, one of their engineers also works on Redox OS

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Or they could use Kerla instead of writing the kernel from scratch.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

Redoxos is basically in that vein.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 years ago

i mean its not really "needed" but maybe its getting nice. and somehow there are right about this extension stuff. today i spend nearly two hours to get extension stuff working. and at the end it was not working :D

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago (1 children)

pls let this be the time we finally get a pretty and functional out-of-the-box de 🙏🙏

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago

"and the list goes on for a while" No it doesn't, you pretty much name all of them, at least the ones with a decent user base.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 years ago (2 children)

We need. I need a Gnome-like modern, minimalistic desktop with a KDE Win10-like layout.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

We can't move Desktop icons.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

And, yes I know, there are extensions, but they are far not the best at cross-compatibility with the system and ux. See: clicked away from desktop into an app and the icon on the desktop doesn't get unselected.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

I don't think that's true. They already invested in customizing gnome and they know there are plenty of other DEs they can switch to. They don't strike me as a super wealthy company that can direct resources for that endeavor.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 years ago (1 children)

from the mouth of a system76 developer: "If we can achieve a better COSMIC experience in Rust as opposed to having COSMIC bolted on top of GNOME as a JS extension, I think it makes sense to go the Rust route. There's honestly a lot of flaws in Pop Shell's tiling that I just can't fix under the limitations of GNOME Shell's design. And between extension API breakages and GNOME Shell making large core behavior changes that we have to work around, it'd honestly take more effort to maintain GNOME Shell extensions than it would be to make our own desktop." [0]

as well as responding to a question of whether the new DE will be a fork of GNOME with: "No it is its own thing written in Rust." [1]

sources: [0] https://teddit.net/r/rust/comments/qo6cy3/an_entire_desktop_environment_made_in_rust_is/ [1] https://teddit.net/r/pop_os/comments/qnvrou/comment/hjjlxso/?context=3

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 years ago

COSMIC bolted on top of GNOME as a JS extension

If it's actually written in JavaScript, I don't see how Rust could possibly perform worse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 years ago

Yeah, definitely can't be as big as it's made out to be here. It will probably be like Budgie, i.e. some new code that holds together lots of existing (GNOME) components.