Petition: Defederate from exploding-heads.com : tchncs

[+] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

And then it's usually the most low-IQ people you've ever seen. So even if you are a person with controversial opinions and would like to discuss them, you can't even do that properly.

E.g. imagine that you like cryptocoins, but see some kind of problem with them that you would like to argue about... Everything you get is an angry Mob with nonsense responses.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Vote: Yes

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nazis aren't welcome here, best they learn that now rather than through a long process of being told by everyone else here to fuck off.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Nazis

Let me guess. Trump and people who like him are Nazis to you?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

After a while of thinking and reviewing, I have come to the conclusion to defederate as requested. If they correct course, I'll happily re-review them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Thank you

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Looks like this is really a right wing/fake/hate news instance. No love is lost defederating them.

So: Yes, please!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Why vote? Isn't that the decision for the instance admins to make? (And also their job?)

Just ping them and also flag offending posts.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So the admins can make a better decision by knowing what their community thinks.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Just directly write them a message. I don't think it needs a vote by the majority of the community to exclude some right wing crypto bros who like transphobia etc

Also if you focus your energy here instead of notifying an admin, they might not read it and you kinda did the opposite of what you intended. Focus your energy here only if the admins and moderation don't do their job properly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

aa

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Just block their domain in your instance.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

How? I can only block communities, but not a whole instance. That's the core of the problem. It's not just **one ** toxic community that we could easily block, it's pretty much the entire server.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bigotry should be banned, and removed from this instance. That means not allowing bigotry on our instance. That means defederating from less clever wannabe 4chans, and less moderated The_D replacements.

They can enjoy their shithole federation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Honestly 4chan is much better than some of these instances.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Echo chambers are for over sensitive Nancy boys.

[+] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You know kbin is a communist project named after the ak47, right?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Oh no! Guess I'll just have to figure out why that matters or why you think I would care.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Read up. Then punch a nazi. Don't need that shit anywhere in society.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

While it's crucial to oppose harmful ideologies like Nazism, we must be wary of how we define such harmful groups. If we broaden these definitions arbitrarily, we risk encapsulating people who merely differ politically, diluting the term's significance and unjustifiably alienating individuals. In doing so, we inadvertently shrink our own communities, polarizing society to the extent where a moderate viewpoint might be mistaken for extremism. Right-leaning communities fall into this trap as well, resulting in fragmented realities where each group exists in its own echo chamber. This division deepens societal fissures and undermines moderate views, which, in my belief, are grounded in reality and thus instrumental in achieving balanced discourse.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're not entirely wrong, but when we are actually talking about actual literal self-declared fascists who are obviously talking and acting fascistic, then it definitely does apply. This is a long way past any sort of grey area, dude!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

This is where the need for nuance comes in. If we were dealing with a platform overrun by advocates for genocide, then defederation would be a reasonable step. But the lack of nuance creates an issue. If any perspective slightly outside your tolerance threshold is immediately labeled as Nazi, where do we draw the line? At what point on the right or the left spectrum does a viewpoint become unacceptable? The challenge lies in defining these boundaries and promoting dialogue without promoting hate.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Soooooo here's a helpful hint to tamp down that utter confusion you seem to be having:

The guys who want armed guard genital inspectors in front of every bathroom are the bad guys.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Right, they never stated otherwise, but transphobic measures doesn't necessarily make one a nazi. It makes you awful but there are different kinds of awful than just nazism. The risk of calling everyone a nazi is that you dilute what the word actually means so that you risk generalizing and uniting the awful people instead of separating them based on their various horrendous opinions.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

transphobic measures doesn't necessarily make one a nazi

True but neither ideology deserves a spot at the table of civilized discourse. So it's a bit of a moot point.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's not a moot point when we consider the fluidity of language and the potential for any group to manipulate terms to suit their interests. If someone can blanket-label their opposition as a 'transphobe' or, more extreme, a 'Nazi', it bypasses meaningful debate and eradicates the chance to understand differing viewpoints. This not only oversimplifies complex discussions, but it also fosters a lazy and destructive discourse that can fuel animosity rather than understanding. We need to be challenged. A tree that grows without wind will not have the strength to stand in a storm.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Imagine using the ammo of "complexity" and the subjectivity of language to defend wholly unsubtle people who explicity want others harassed/harmed/dead for being their authentic selves and that authenticity has absolutely NOTHIGN to do with them personally

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

The vast majority of people screaming about bathrooms in the US are in fact Nazis or nazi adjacent.

There is NO reason to dump that much hate on like two or three people per state unless you just enjoy the cruelty.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Who exactly holds the authority to label 'the bad guys'? Sure, some actions are undeniably harmful, but does that warrant placing all perceived wrongdoers in the same category, from internet trolls to murderers? Is there no nuance or room for varying degrees of transgressions? I hope you can ask yourself if you're always on the side of righteousness, or might you be perceived as 'the bad guy" from another perspective? It's important to understand that the world is not simply binary, and such a mindset can dangerously oversimplify complex issues.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What you are suggesting is that we, as a society, are incapable of discerning right from wrong and enforcing societal norms at all ever. Because who knows? Who has the power to determine these things?? hand wringing, pearl clutching

Let me tell you who: Anyone with two brain cells and a heart. Fascism has a clear definition. People who are being called Nazis because they openly hate and advocate for the genocide of trans people are being called Nazis because THEY ARE ACTING LIKE NAZIS.

We absolutely have no obligation to air their bigoted, make believe grievances in public. We have every right to shut them down and shut them up to protect vulnerable minority populations.

Stop JAQing off and pretending otherwise.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Nazis exist, and they are abhorrent. But is it fair to label the entire community of exploding-heads as such? Or, is it that the platform tolerates a broader range of discourse than you are comfortable with? Yes, Nazis may be part of the mix, but so too might be their staunch opponents. Assigning people to preconceived boxes based on assumed beliefs isn't conducive to understanding. While we concur on opposing Nazis, I refuse to disregard an entire group's perspectives because I may disagree with some. It's crucial to engage with opposing views for a balanced discourse, a principle applicable to everyone.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It is NOT crucial to engage in any kind of discourse with fascists who advocate genocide (aka Nazis)

And you know what you have if a "normal" person sits down to dinner with 10 Nazis? You have 11 Nazis.

There is no room for tolerance of Nazis, nor of those who coddle and enable Nazis.

So yes. It's fair.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Therein lies the problem, who says they're nazis? Just some person on the internet? I'll decide if someone is a nazi for myself, I don't need protection.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Their behavior being exactly consistent with the definition of fascism and their persistent genocidal intent toward minorities says they are Nazis.

You can't possibly be this stupid. It's not that hard to identify fascism.. Stop being disingenuous

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

No, it's not that hard, but I don't think I agree with your criteria for fascism or who "they" are. Like, who are you talking about? Everybody on exploding-heads? Anyone who calls themselves conservative? Literal nazis? Those are all 3 different groups with some overlap for sure, but that doesn't mean they're ALL inherently wrong. I don't agree with hasty generalizations and I think people need to start thinking critically and with nuance. Life just isn't as simple as you're trying to make it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Bro everyone knows you don’t find nazis abhorrent. Fuck off.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Lol, don't hurt yourself proving my point now.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Who exactly holds the authority to label 'the bad guys'?

People who don't get their rocks off by investing more effort into hating the marginalized.

This isn't about me and this isn't about subtlety. On the whole LGBT+haters are nazi adjacent and they get a kick out of hating the marginalized, and they do it VERY LOUDLY.

Like literally it's the AMERICA FIRST!ers here that are now specifically hating on like the two or three trans people in each state who play sports, and like the maybe handful of total trans people in each state in comparison to state population.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sounds to me like you group everyone who has an even remotely different viewpoint than you in to one category so you can easily hate and discredit them all without ever actually thinking critically.

You're just bringing up ideas you don't like and then creating a strawman character that you can hate. You know they think the same way about you right? Do you not see how this leads to misinformation and unnecessary hatred? Solving nothing and creating even more division is not something I will stand behind.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sounds to me like you’re definitely a fucking nazi

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Or maybe I'm moderate and would like to not feel like an extremist for trying to find the truth that's somewhere in the middle.

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