Frankly, the most ideologically inconsistent part of this attack is that the attackers ran away instead of dying and being martyred. That's not in line with ISIS and much more in line with self-radicalized individuals such as in the Boston Marathon bombings.
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Weirdest ISIS attack in a while for sure. The Iranian attack was via suicide bombers, which is at least ideologically consistent.
Is that actually inconsistent with ISIS tactics? They've been fighting Russia in Syria. Suicide attacks may just not be in vogue with how they fight. I'm not talking from experience, just questioning your assumption that past patterns still hold.
Fighting and terrorism follow different rulebooks in general.
The man says that before committing Friday’s atrocity, he had been to Türkiye. When asked what he did at the Crocus City concert venue on Friday evening, he replied: “I shot down... people.” The suspect added that he had committed the crime “for money,” detailing that he had been promised 500,000 rubles ($5,418).
The alleged perpetrator claimed that half the sum had already been transferred to his debit card.
The man also said that the curators, whom he supposedly does not know personally, had contacted him via Telegram messaging app, and arranged an arms cache for the assailants.
The man describes how an acquaintance who he'd befriended on Telegram “ten to twelve days ago” had purchased a car, presumably with a view to using it as a taxi.
detailing that he had been promised 500,000 rubles ($5,418).
Fuck me, this really hammers home that first world privilege. More than that amount of USD hits my checking account each month in my direct wages. This guy knew what would happen to him when he was caught then decided that risking misery in Siberia before being executed was worth less than a month of my take home pay. I mean i get that some level of radicalization is involved here, but still what the fuck.
The attackers are supposedly Tajik. USD5418 is at least 2 years of work there.
Even if I made $100,000USD a year I'm not sure I would agree to massacre a hundred people for $200k.
I'd assume, with the numbers you gave, you're quite comfortable in life. What if your life was constant struggle with poverty? Not sure how to get food for your kids tomorrow? You get desperate
The comments on that article are terrifying. There are people saying things like he and his family should be hanged.
Par for the course with what was said about the Boston Marathon bombers tbf. Humanity has a long ways to go.
This comes after mankind already has come a long way.
Thanks for the heads up. There's some weird shit going on there
Russia today as a source?
It's a video. The video deserves to be evaluated on it's own merits (or lack thereof).
The "evidence" picked up by Western news agencies doesn't really hold water. I spent some effort debunking it in another comment: these are some really unradicalized radical Islamic extremists.
It’s a video. The video deserves to be evaluated on it’s own merits
Are part of those merits on which it should be analysed who released it?
Your claim is that Russia can't or won't adequate investigate a terrorist attack on Russian soil?
Your claim is that Russia can’t or won’t adequate investigate a terrorist attack on Russian soil?
You claim that would be out of character for Putin?
Have you read that article? The sources claiming it are all mainstream media sources, and the sources discrediting it are all academic articles.
It wouldn't be the first time that mainstream media and academia have diverged on a subject.
The sources claiming it are all mainstream media sources
The sources you reference are Russian state media.
For the claim that Russia committed a terrorist attack on its own soil? That's a claim you're making.
For the claim that Russia committed a terrorist attack on its own soil? That’s a claim you’re making.
Did I say they did this terrorist attack on "their" own soil, or did I express doubt at their laughable assertions ISIS-K is a branch of Ukraine?
Read your own claims again
Read your own claims again
Why? I know they're right; no need to reaffirm that.
I think you think your claims are right, which shows confidence.
which shows confidence.
Being right will do that to a person.
On your claim that Russia committed a false flag on their own soil?
On your claim that Russia committed a false flag on their own soil?
I don't think I asserted that, but it wouldn't be the first time, would it?
Recall the impetus for The Second Chechen War.
Wow! A Russian news story would use a Russian source! Who would have guessed!!
Any more insightful revelations you'd like to show to the class, feddit de?
What’s with posting stuff from Russian government tabloids?
It's almost as if the attack happened in Moscow and the suspects were arrested by Russian police.
Picked up near the Ukrainian border, they say?
Wonder how much further they will go to tie this to Ukraine. Hasn't ISIS already claimed responsibility?
Their extraction route was through Ukraine to Afghanistan. This is rather publicly acknowledged.
They tried to get to Belarus first, as was confirmed even by Lukashenko himself
Is that what Russia says a guy they say carried out the attack and at whom they've pointed guns says?
Here's my question for you: in what event would you trust the words of a terrorist pursuing martyrdom?
Here’s my question for you: in what event would you trust the words of a terrorist pursuing martyrdom?
In what event do you trust Russia's word that is who this guy is, guy who claims ISIS is an arm of the united states foreign policy?
Even if he is, would not your skepticism be aptly applied to claims he made that he was paid?
Your claim is that... By questioning why ISIS is attacking Russia and Iran instead of Israel, which is literally denying Muslims access to Al-Aqsa Mosque, that I'm claiming ISIS is an arm of US foreign policy?
So what are you implying?
Sure seems like you're claiming the US is directing ISIS in the linked post and the one to which I am replying.
All while believing Russian claims that quite conveniently let's Russia pin blame for an attack ISIS claimed credit for on anyone they want.
You can believe whatever you want, but it doesn't make things more or less true.