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My Berlin speech on Palestine that German police entered the venue to ban - and whose publication here led to my being banned from Germany! - Yanis Varoufakis (www.yanisvaroufakis.eu)

submitted 10 months ago by theacharnian to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are Israeli Jews driven out of their homes by armed gangs today? No.

Well... I guess some hostages would like to differ. What a jerk. With parts like that, I'm not surprised by the outcome.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

Really? I find it difficult to compare the situations of the Israelis and the Palestinians. One is the boot, one is the ant from my point of view.

[+] [email protected] -23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Germany is going full fascist over Israel

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hyperbole much?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sadly no, been in multiple discussions, where I was accused of supporting Hamas, because I think both parties are commenting crimes against humanity. Thats apparently not acceptable and antisemitic somehow...

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

That can go both ways through. To some people, criticizing Hamas or saying that their attack warranted a reaction (which doesn't mean I'm condoning what's happening now in any way) means you're actively calling for genocide.

Nuance is hard, people tend to prefer simple categorization into black and white, good and evil. The statement "Germany is going full fascist" is a perfect example of this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Give me a break. They sent police after this guy and then banned him from the fucking country for saying something they didn’t like.

There’s no nuance here at all. The fascism in western countries suddenly comes when people criticize Israel.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Let me prefix this with saying that I'm sympathetic towards Varoufakis. I've been following him somewhat since his time at Valve.

He claims he is now subject to a "Betätigungsverbot" which is very different from being "banned from the country". I tried to find any sort of official confirmation that he actually has "Betätigungsverbot" but I couldn't, feel free to post a link if you can find it. I personally believe that what he wrote in this post doesn't even come close to warranting a Betätigungsverbot - however, even assuming the Verbot is actually in place, claiming this means "Germany is going full fascism" is dishonest, exaggerated, and void of any nuance, which is my original point.

Reading the first sentence of the definition of fascism on Wikipedia should show you how ridiculous that statement is. Words have a meaning, and throwing around the word "fascism" for any measure you (potentially rightfully) don't agree with just hurts your credibility and devalues the meaning of the word when it's actually appropriate.

I'm fine with you attributing actions like this to historically motivated, misguided sense of "loyalty" (or however you want to call it) to Israel, or the Israeli government. Just keep the word fascist for actual fascists please.

Nuance exists, the world isn't just black and white.