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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is banana a berry or is it there just for scale?

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

yup https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berry_(botany)

a berry is a fleshy fruit without a stone (pit) produced from a single flower containing one ovary. Berries so defined include grapes, currants, and tomatoes, as well as cucumbers, eggplants (aubergines) and bananas, but exclude certain fruits that meet the culinary definition of berries, such as strawberries and raspberries.

[–] [email protected] 87 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Botany should not have borrowed the word berry.

I am of the opinion that "a small, sweet, edible fruit" is closer to the right definition for the word, and that botanists' decision to appropriate the word for a redefined purpose was inappropriate and unnecessary.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When did this all occur? Was berry a word for things like strawberries before and then it was chosen by botanists to meet another definition?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Linguist here, if I may share my 2¢.

We do know that even over a thousand years ago, speakers of Old English were still calling these kinds of fruits berries, such as strawberries and blackberries (although pronunciation differed somewhat, of course). A word for strawberry as "earth berry" is even reconstructed for the proto Germanic language around 1500 to 2500 years ago. Beyond that, it becomes difficult to trace the word berry any further.

The Botanical sense of the word berry seems to come largely from at earliest the 1500s, from the writings of Caesalpinus, although the definitions were inconsistent and later writings on the matter constantly redefined things and added new terms. Although, largely, these writings all used Latinate terms for their botanical concepts, such as bacca (the closest to the modern botanical berry), and also words like pomum (pome/pomme), drupe, etc. for the other categories of fruit.

So, somewhere since all of that, some English-speaking botanist decided it would be a good idea to use the word berry to describe this concept of a bacca (even though berries had been used for distinctly different things from what that concept described), and now we end up in our current silly predicament where strawberries aren't berries but pumpkins are.

I'd propose we call botanical berries "bayes" or "bayfruit", the word bay/baye being an alternate word for berry that ultimately derived from the Latin word bacca, via Old French.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Sounds to me like we need a new definition for berry.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

You mean Scaleberry?

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's ok accessory fruit club is pretty cool. I always preferred drupe club though.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Droop snoot

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

First rule of accessory fruit club is, you do not talk about accessory fruit club. Second rule of accessory fruit club is, you DO NOT TALK ABOUT ACCESSORY FRUIT CLUB.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Why are there no comments on this! It's hilarious

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 years ago

They hated tomato for he spoke the truth

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

I see two comments :P

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

okay but whats with the bulge in the paper on panel 3....

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago

I think that's the top part of the paper bent backwards a bit casting a shadow

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

The worst kind of correct.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago

Unlike peanuts which are legumes

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Said the strawberry

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The taxonomy in biology can be really confusing. Potatoes (only their fruits), peppers, cucumbers, eggplants, avocados, lemons, oranges, kiwifruit and papayas are also in the berry club.

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Potatoes are tubers, I don't think they fit the botanical definition of a fruit. They contain no seeds, for example.

The rest are though. Pumpkins was the one that always blew my mind.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

The most forbidden Vodka...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

You are correct, but the potato plant bears potato fruits, which are classified as berries. I will clarify that in my comment.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I hope you mean the taxonomy in botany, things are much clearer on the zoological side

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Here's the thing...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Well, I'm not a biologist and even all my houseplants are constantly dying. For me, biology as a whole is confusing.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I heard the seeds on the outside of the strawberry are berries.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

But not peanuts, they're actually legumes :(

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I'm eating a legume right now! Cool!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I wonder if they'd consider Chuck eligible, though. He was undeniably a human but also a Berry.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

TIL banana is a berry! 🤯

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago

Old comic but still one of my all time favorites

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Wow... my life was a lie

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

What is a "berry" in fact?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

would bananas being seedless mean that they are also not berries?

[–] PeriodicallyPedantic 19 points 2 years ago

Bananas have seeds. We've just bred them for hundreds of generations so the seeds are small and so soft you don't even notice them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago

Bananas have seeds, they're just incredibly degenerated in commercial bananas. Next time you have one, break off a chunk and count the black specks inside. Each one would've been a seed if not for generations of human intervention.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Here's a website with a picture of a banana with seeds

https://sciencemeetsfood.org/rise-fall-bananas/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The definition of a berry doesn't make sense then.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

There are multiple definitions for berry