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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

Sure is going to be difficult to enact change when met with a regime that wants to regress. Hope that y'all who didn't vote are happy with the outcome cause I sure ain't.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Other than this meme ridiculously implying that if only the pro-Palestine vote would have gone to Harris instead of Trump, then Harris would have won (two ridiculous claims not backed by the reality of the data): Can we please stop with that notion, that the Democrats are trying to stop what's going on in Palestine and finally see it as the US foreign policy that it is? Who has the power in that relationship? Without the US, Israel has a fraction of its weapons, billions of dollars less for their own civil programs and no shielding from international law. Don't act like the Biden administration has been genuinely trying to stop a genocide, when they:

  • are supplying weapons (Biden even circumventing congress in at least one case)
  • continuing payments
  • are spreading debunked Israeli propaganda even after they're debunked while ignoring or actively delegitimizing information to the contrary
  • actively bomb the Huthi's who attack ships headed for Israel (also with weapons)
  • vetoing or threatening to veto anything that furthers international law on that matter in the Security Council
  • diplomatically and threatingly shielding Israeli threats to the ICC and ICJ
  • actively delegitimize the ICJ and their decisions openly
  • are threatening countries with sanctions if they don't adopt outrageous laws and standards redefining anti-semitism and cracking down
  • are pressuring countries to tow the line with zionist support
  • ... (list is not extensive)

This behavior isn't new. International law didn't matter, when the US offensively brought death and destruction to Afghanistan and Iraq and as a result again in Iraq and Syria. Or when they did the same with the EU in Lybia,. Or when they supplied Saudi Arabia with weapons and support for their genocide in Yemen, and are supplying Egypt with weapons and support for their water war in Sudan, which has seen atrocity after atrocity in its wake. This isn't even an extensive list of just this century.

They aren't trying to stop it. All the public lip-service is but theater as are the negotiations. Which should become clear at the latest, when Israel assassinates their negotiating partners and then the US claims, that there is no one from the other side joining the table...

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

Lol the downvotes? Let's see, the full context here...

“Basically, there really is no such thing as — I need to be careful about saying this, because people will really get upset — there’s really no such thing as a Palestinian,” Huckabee said at a 2008 campaign stop in Massachusetts while speaking to two Orthodox Jewish men. “There’s not.”

In response to a question from one of the men about the possibility of a Palestinian state existing outside of Israel, Huckabee said he believed this was the preferable option.

“You have Arabs and Persians,” Huckabee continued at the 2008 appearance. “And there’s such complexity in that. But there’s really no such thing [as a Palestinian state]. That’s been a political tool to try and force land away from Israel.”

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Someone better pick up that phone, because I fucking called it.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You all really think there were a significant amount of people who voted trump because Biden and Kamala also support genocide?

That's wild...

What happened is some people couldn't compromise their own morals to vote for either, and Republicans don't have morals so that compromise was easy for them.

You can get mad at them all you want, but this isn't the first time this has happened, look at virtually any presidential election in modern history a republican won, and it's because the Dems went to far right and left their base behind.

We've been doing it for decades, and when a moderate wins it's by the skin of their teeth with large amounts of the people voting for them openly saying they won't make a good president but the only other option is a Republican.

We know the current strategy doesn't work.

We know that even when it does, things just temporarily stop getting worse, they don't get substantially better.

So can someone please explain to me the logic of doubling down on moving to the right every election?

Why do you think it will magically start working?

Why not do what we did in 08 and run a young charismatic candidate with a progressive campaign and just fucking dominate an election again leading to the House/Senate alomg with gains in red state governments?

How many times does neo liberalism have to result in fascism before the party stops shoving it down our throats?

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