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For example, right now XMR is $215 USD/XMR, but there's an offer listed at $210/XMR and another one at $213/XMR. This seems to happen relatively frequently. Anyone know why this is?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Letely, the price is going up but many of those offers may have been made a day ago or something.

Also, some people may be willing to take a little haircut to get the trade done fast. This is how price discovery works on an order book, spreads should get smaller as liquidity goes up

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Letely, the price is going up but many of those offers may have been made a day ago or something.

This is the whole thrust of my question. Are these "old" offers from "a day ago" that will suddenly increase when I respond to the "old" offer or are the sellers committed to the advertised price, even if it's below market value?

Also, some people may be willing to take a little haircut to get the trade done fast.

Really? Sellers do that?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

An offer that's on the book is on the book. If the person who made it wants to take it down they can. If it's still there you can take it.

Of course they do. Not all of them, but they do. Just like grocery stores to 10% off stuff they want gone. If someone needs to sell fast, the best incentive is a little discount.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If they put fixed offers at the time higher the market price would you take it? You fucking wouldnt is my guess. Fuck this thread.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Fuck this thread.

If you don't have anything useful to contribute here (which you never do), then get the fuck off my thread.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If they put fixed offers at the time higher the market price would you take it? You fucking wouldnt is my guess

My expectation is that they all should be slightly higher than the market price so that the seller can make a profit. That's how it was with all trades on localmonero. Have you even ever done a cash by mail trade?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Do you know how haveno works? Do you know the buy price of the seller? Have you read the replies already given to explain it? No, no, no.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because the person making the offer doesn't want to lose money. If you are doing cash in mail and they offer to pay $210 for every $215 in XMR that's about 2% profit which is fairly reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think you misunderstood my question. I posed it as a buyer responding to a sell offer. Why would a seller offer XMR for $5 less than market value and want to lose money?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Oh i had it backwards yeah.

If it's under valued than the reason is probably expediency

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because cold hard cash has more value to the buyer then other forms of payment and they are willing to give a premium for it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

OK, I guess I'll take your word for it, but XMR never was offered for less than market value for cash by mail trades on localmonero.co.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they could be scammers offering a good deal

they could just be trying to encourage customers to get used to the new system

they could just really need cash right now

could be a old listing, and if you try to trade they will cancel and relist at the current rate

lots of reasons

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

could be a old listing, and if you try to trade they will cancel and relist at the current rate

Isn't this kind of a bullshit reason akin to a "bait and switch" offer that would make people hesitant to use RetoSwap?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

no idea, just enumerating possibilities

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Maybe they are feds out to get you.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because cash has a different market exchange rate than other currency methods. Supply demand etc etc

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't understand what you mean. Right now the value of 1 XMR is $213 USD. There are sell offers ranging from $208 to $236. The cash market exchange rate should be the same for all offers, right? Why would someone want to sell XMR for below market rate?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because $1USD in digital doesnt equal $1USD in cash. Monero represents the real world exchangeable value of $1USD in its variouse forms.

If u think u can buy monero under price with cash then sell it for non cash then convert non cash to cash then repeat then ur welcome to try. I suspect u will find that once uve gone to all the extra effort to do the cash non cash conversion plus account for the time it takes u then u will find ur making exactly $0. This is what a free market does and monero is a true free market hence why its only now u notice that $1USD cash isnt worth $1USD non cash.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Even I do this sometimes

  • Every payment method and region has its own market and supply/demand.
  • Sometimes the seller/buyer in urge and prefers paying more.

Even this happens on centralized exchanges. In Turkey cryptocurrencies are a bit more expensive than global market price. Once I've seen 6-7% higher than global market price when the regulations were very strict and when people were in panic.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

Use instant crypto exchanges to buy XMR, Exolix seems to have pretty good rates