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I’ve been around a while and I find it funny that Arab nations are now morally grandstanding on behalf of Palestine to gain points. These nations hate and look down on Palestinians and have refused to help refugees for decades. They speak about Palestinians as if they were subhuman.
I’m glad they’re calling out Trump, but don’t think they actually care about Palestinians.
This is what i've come to know too from talking to Palestinian refugees in Sweden. They have never been treated so bad as they where in the interim when they were in Egypt.
“ethnic cleansing"
That is the correct phrase here. Start there and keep going.
There's no such thing as ethnic cleansing. It's just a weasel word for genocide. It's all it ever has been. When "ethnic cleansing" was going on in the Balkans in the 90s, it was just a genocide that nobody was intervening to stop. Same for Myanmar in the mid 2010s And for Karabakh in 2020.
Ethnic cleansing exists for when you are destroying a culture through means other than mass murder. It is absolutely a thing and it is not the same as genocide. Gaza is a genocide.
Genocide includes displacement, and does not necessarily require killing (at least per the UN definition)
Genocide is a wider term. It covers killing people based on religion, country of origin, color of skin, size of nose, etc etc.
Ethnic cleansing is genocide but specifically done towards people of a specific ethnicity.
I think ethnic cleansing is more about displacement over straight up murder. However, this is still considered genocide per the UN definition.
Well, but there is a pretty significant difference. For example, when the Nazis were planning to send all the German Jews to Madagascar, they were attempting an ethnic cleansing, meaning 'just' their removal - They didn't care when Jews died, but it wasn't their actual plan to slaughter them all. However, when the Madagascar Plan didn't seem possible anymore, they switched to genocide in stead, meaning their extermination.
There is a incredibly huge difference between these two things. And please don't get me wrong, they are both absolutely, unequivocally horrific. Unacceptable, period. But still this difference is important, especially for the victims. In hindsight, I'm sure many people would have wished the Nazis had been successful in their ethnic cleansing. Many more people would have survived.
What Israel has been doing is not ethnic cleansing. They've been systematically killing people for no other reason than "because we want to and we can." I'd call that a genocide. What Trump is describing, however, is ethnic cleansing.
And just to reiterate, I'm not saying it's not bad. It's sickeningly bad. But quite different.
Agreed. I am tired of this equivocating bullshit. This is genocide.
I mean a lot of terminology you can argue about but forcefully removing an certain ethnic group from their home region so another group can take over, that's pretty much the textbook definition.
Arab Countries should immediately backtrack and agree to the proposal with one change.
All Palestinians should be relocated immediately to the county of Palm Beach, Florida at the expense of the United States.
Let Donald Trump welcome a few new neighbors.
They'll just be genocided here instead
Or slaves because that's what seems to be coming back
When they fill the prisons and reintroduce child labor, they'll have more than enough.
Napalm Beach?
From trump
[...]Everybody I’ve spoken to loves the idea of the United States owning that piece of land, developing and creating thousands of jobs with something that will be magnificent. [...]
Yeah, it didn't take a rocket scientist to know he either was lying or didn't talk to that many people other than his rich oligarchy
Everybody I’ve spoken to
It must be so rare that this man encounters an expert on anything these days, at least that is not in an adversarial position towards him.
Some of Israel’s government would support that
DAY ONE
He'll find somewhere to send the surviving Gazans. One of his strongman allies will happily put them in work camps.
And if he doesn't, I'm guessing he has an idea for a Final Solution.
The trump administration has already started establishing a new slave trade system with El Salvador, so it’s entirely plausible that they would consider enslaving the Palestinians also. I cannot fucking believe the speed with which we are dropping into dystopia.
The Saudis will find a place for them to work I'm sure.
Surprised this got announced while there are still hostages to release tbh..
It's been pretty clear for a while that Bibi doesn't give a shit about the hostages. They've already served their purpose for him
If that were true then why agree a ceasefire at all? If hostages were disposable then it would serve his purposes better to sabotage negotiations, blame Hamas, and continue destroying Rafah.
As it stands there appears to be at least some elements in Israel that count retrieving the hostages to be more important.
It was a quid pro quo with the Trump transition team. He gave them a big win and made Biden look ineffectual on the way out. Then Trump got into office and rewarded Bibi with a very very favourable outcome
He ran out of political capital to stall when Hamas was offering him the hostages back, most likely.
Same as trump caving with tariffs against Canada/Mexico once Canada/Mexico was trying very hard to remove the tariffs.
There's only so much stalling you can do when the opposition is trying desperately to make "peace" work.
Bibi absolutely does not give a shit about the hostages. His actions have shown as much. He was already deeply unpopular in Israel before the war started, so I expect that he just ran out of political capital to keep his peers at bay.
They literally killed hostages raising a white flag. And killed hostages on October 7 with Hannibal directive.
There are many reasons behind agreeing to ceasefire but the hostages what the least of his concern.
Surprised this got announced
So is everyone else.
In typical fashion of Trump no foresight. He goes into a meeting, thinks of a really stupid idea, and just gets up at the podium and says it, with absolutely NO thought as to what his words could mean on the geo-politcal stage.
US strategists must be losing their fucking mind.
They tell Trump how important Greenland and Panama is to US national security, and Dingledorf in chief gets up there and announces to the world US's strategic ambitions and security short comings.
Art of the Deal indeed, announce how really important something is to you before you even start dealing.
What a goof. US is getting played so badly... He's losing 1D chess.
What a goof. US is getting played so badly… He’s losing 1D chess.
Trump is the pigeon shitting on the board.
trump is the shit that landed on the board
But, but lots of people who heard the loved it. What’s the problem? /s