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It can look dumb, but I always had this question as a kid, what physical principles would prevent this?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago

always had this question as a kid

And then went, draw it out, and asked.
I applaud that (and the art), good for you.

(And the good people already provided answers.)

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Perhaps also worth pointing out that the speed of light is that exact speed, because light itself hits a speed limit.

As far as we know, light has no mass, so if it is accelerated in any way, it should immediately have infinite acceleration and therefore infinite speed (this is simplifying too much by using a classical physics formula, but basically it's like this: a = f/m = f/0 = ∞). And well, light doesn't go at infinite speed, presumably because it hits that speed limit, which is somehow inherent to the universe.

That speed limit is referred to as the "speed of causality" and we assume it to apply to everything. That's also why other massless things happen to travel at the speed of causality/light, too, like for example gravitational waves. Well, and it would definitely also apply to that pole.

Here's a video of someone going into much more depth on this: https://www.pbs.org/video/pbs-space-time-speed-light-not-about-light/

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (3 children)

I predict we'll have FTL travel before we can invent a stick that's "unfoldable".

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What about the speed of the earth's rotation though, could that fuck up the stick holding?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

It'll knock the moon and earth out of orbit!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago

Matter is made of atoms. Things are only truly rigid in the small scales we deal with usually.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

So folks have already explained the stick, but you're actually somewhat close to one of the ways you can sort of bend the rules of FTL, at least when it comes to a group of photons.

Instead of a stick, imagine a laser on earth pointed at one edge of the moon. Now suddenly shift the laser to the other side of the moon. What happens to the laser point on the moon's surface?

Well, it still takes light speed (1.3 seconds to the moon) for the movement to take effect, but once it starts, the "point" will "travel" to the other side faster than light. It's not the same photons; and if you could trace the path of the laser, you'd find that the photons space out so much that there are gaps like a dotted line; but if you had a set of sensors on each side of the moon set up to detect the laser, they would find that the time between the first and second sensor detecting the beam would be faster than what light speed would typically allow.

It's not exactly practical, and it's such an edge case that I doubt we can find a good way to use it, but yeah; FTL through arc lengths can kind of be a thing. At least if you tilt your head and squint funny at it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

With your example, nothing is β€œmoving”.

Imagine a giant wave in the ocean that is almost lined up perfectly parallel to the shore. Imagine the angle that the wave is off by is astronomically small (0.0000000001 degrees off from parallel). Also imagine the shore line is astronomically long (millions of kilometers).

One end of the wave will crash the shore slightly before the other end of the wave at the opposite end of the shore. The difference in time between the two sides of the shore is also astronomically small (so small that not even light could reach the other end in time)

Now let me ask you: did the wave β€œcrash” travel faster than the speed of light? Of course not. I think that is a similar analogy to the laser movement concept you described.

Edit: Fun thought experiment. Depending on where you are on the shore (which end you are closer to), you may see one end crash before the other end (one event happening before the other event). Have two people at different locations on the shore, once they meet up with each other, they might disagree on which end crashed first! And they would BOTH be correct! Relativity is fucking crazy

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

this isn't at all what this example depicts, here there is actual information transfer.

this depiction is actually just false, the light would send information faster than the stick, because in the stick information only travels as fast as speed of sound in the stick, which is why completely rigid objects don't exist

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Sure, the time between detections is faster than the time it takes light to travel from one detector to the other. Nothing is actually traveling faster than light and no physical laws are broken.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

You'd still be limited by light speed to transmit the information between the two locations to compare times or indicate they received a signal.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

That would not work. Pushing an object is transmitting kinetic energy to it. The object will push back, and energy would not be distributed to the whole object at the same time.
If the object cannot be altered in any way, then the energy would not be transferred to it, and if it has enough plasticity to absorb the kinetic energy, it would be spread in a wave to the tip. A wave that would always be slower than light.

Now stop fooling around and give Ruyi Jingu Bang back to Sun Wukong.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I'm not a scientist, but when I asked the same question before they said, "compression."

Like, the stick would absorb the power of your push, and it would shrink (across its length) before the other end moved. When the other end does finally move, it's actually the compression reaching it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Next, I suppose you'll want to know about the speed of dark 🀨

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Short version: forces applied to solid objects move at the speed of sound in that object.

Lets say your stick is made of steel. The speed of sound in steel is about 19,000 feet/second. Assuming you could push hard enough for the force to be felt on the other end, it'd take over 18 hours for your partner on Earth to feel your push from the moon.

[–] ILikeBoobies 1 points 2 days ago

Move a sheet up and down rapidly

You can see the wave travel across it

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Because you put the apostrophe in the wrong place?

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