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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Quality sneers in these (one, two) response posts. The original posts that these are critiquing are very silly and not worth your time, but the criticism here addresses many of the typical AI hype talking points.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

That means that the harm done by these systems compound the more widely they are used as errors pile up at every stage of work, in every sector of the economy. It builds up an ambient radiation of system variability and errors that magnifies every other systemic issue with the modern state and economy.

Wanted to shout these two sentences out in particular. Best summary of my biggest current fears regarding use of "ai"/llm/transformer(?)-based systems.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Amazon Prime pulling some AI bullshit with, considering the bank robbery in the movie was to pay for surgery for a trans woman, a hint of transphobia (or more likely, not a hint, just the full reason).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I've been listening to faster and worse (see https://awful.systems/comment/6216748 ) and I like it so I wanted to give it ups.

(I think this and the memory palace are the only micro podcasts I've listened to. idk why it isn't a more common format)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

thanks! It might be uncommon because it's a real pain in the ass to keep it short. Every time I make one I stress about how easily my point can be misunderstood because there are so few details. Good way to practice the art of moving on

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

if it's any reassurance, i've understood all your points perfectly! you're basically making an argument for all UI to be more apple-like

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)

holy shit, I really don't know if this is real or a joke

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

really, thanks for listening! It's fun making them and nice to know they are being listened to

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

this is also why pivot to AI is mostly 200-250 words, not 1200 or 2000 or 8000

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It's probably more sensible for me to try writing short bits too, instead of faffing around with videos

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

The most naked attempt yet at allowing billionaires to live on without the rest of us.

What infuriates me the most, for some reason, is how nobody seems to care that the robots leave the fridge door open for so long. I guess it's some form of solace that, even with the resources and tech to live on without us the billionaires still don't understand ecosystems or ecology. Waste energy training a machine to do the same thing a human can do but slower and more wastefully, just so you can order the machine around without worrying about it's feelings... I call this some form of solace as it means, even if they do away with us plebs, climate change will get'em as well - and whatever remaining life on Earth will be able to take a breather for the first time in centuries.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (9 children)

Interesting slides: Peter Gutmann - Why Quantum Cryptanalysis is Bollocks

Since quantum computers are far outside my expertise, I didn't realize how far-fetched it currently is to factor large numbers with quantum computers. I already knew it's not near-future stuff for practical attacks on e.g. real-world RSA keys, but I didn't know it's still that theoretical. (Although of course I lack the knowledge to assess whether that presentation is correct in its claims.)

But also, while reading it, I kept thinking how many of the broader points it makes also apply to the AI hype... (for example, the unfounded belief that game-changing breakthroughs will happen soon).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (7 children)

It's been frustrating to watch Gutmann slowly slide. He hasn't slid that far yet, I suppose. Don't discount his voice, but don't let him be the only resource for you to learn about quantum computing; fundamentally, post-quantum concerns are a sort of hard read in one direction, and Gutmann has decided to try a hard read in the opposite direction.

Page 19, complaining about lattice-based algorithms, is hypocritical; lattice-based approaches are roughly as well-studied as classical cryptography (Feistel networks, RSA) and elliptic curves. Yes, we haven't proven that lattice-based algorithms have the properties that we want, but we haven't proven them for classical circuits or over elliptic curves, either, and we nonetheless use those today for TLS and SSH.

Pages 28 and 29 are outright science denial and anti-intellectualism. By quoting Woit and Hossenfelder — who are sneerable in their own right for writing multiple anti-science books each — he is choosing anti-maths allies, which is not going to work for a subfield of maths like computer science or cryptography. In particular, p28 lies to the reader with a doubly-bogus analogy, claiming that both string theory and quantum computing are non-falsifiable and draw money away from other research. This sort of closing argument makes me doubt the entire premise.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (6 children)

In other news, Brian Merchant's going full-time on Blood in the Machine.

Did notice a passage in the annoucement which caught my eye:

Meanwhile, the Valley has doubled down on a grow-at-all-costs approach to AI, sinking hundreds of billions into a technology that will automate millions of jobs if it works, might kneecap the economy if it doesn’t, and will coat the internet in slop and misinformation either way.

I'm not sure if its just me, but it strikes me as telling about how AI's changed the cultural zeitgeist that Merchant's happily presenting automation as a bad thing without getting backlash (at least in this context).

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

will automate millions of jobs if it works, might kneecap the economy

will kneecap the economy if it works, too. Because companies certainly aren't going to keep people employed in those millions of jobs.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

TIL musk has a nobel peace prize nomination for this year

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