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I don't understand how they are supposed to "sell your data" if you just never use a Mozilla account and uncheck all the telemetry. Its not like they can secretly steal your data, since its Open Source.

It seems to me like just more FUD that Google is spreading to undermine our trust in free software.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Mozilla just can't stop taking Ls. This new and unnecessary development is another one.

Putting a local LLM into a product that doesn't need it, just like other businesses do, is just one step too far for me. I hate this AI trend with a passion.

Good thing that Firefox is open source so that we can just switch forks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Actually translations are great and they were needed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

you don't need AI for automated translations though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is no ai in ai, it's just a program. In case of firefox translations it was made specifically for machine translation and later adapted to use with firefox browser.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is no ai in ai, it’s just a program.

well duh. But why is Mozilla investing in LLM research then?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Firefox translate isn't an llm afaik. Anyway, why wouldn't they? LLMs aren't inherently good or bad, they are useful, and pushing for offline local first ai is a good thing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

is the LLM or its trainingdata opensource though, do we know what it does/is trained on?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

There are truly open llm, there are somewhat open. If you are asking about firefox translate, it seems that models themselves weren't trained by mozilla.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How does having an AI-chat feature in a browser diminish it's quality? No one's forced to use any feature.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Where does I say that it diminish it's quality?

Also the you don't have to use it, is a weak argument not even for or against it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also the you don’t have to use it, is a weak argument not even for or against

"Our pizza now comes with a topping of human feces!"

"Ew"

"What? Just scrape it off if you don't like it"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think the rest have explained it better, but I use a Mozilla account and I kinda trusted them, not so much anymore. I dont know if I'm a minority, I found this feature very useful.

I will probably keep using firefox until it goes too bad for my taste and switch to a fork and self-host a sync server

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well, I never used the sync feature, if I ever need to save urls, I'll just store it in Standard Notes or something. I also uncheck all the telemetry. I guess I'm unaffected by their ToS change.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

If all you're doing is "unchecking" then there's more you're missing:

https://github.com/K3V1991/Disable-Firefox-Telemetry-and-Data-Collection

The whole advanced configuration settings in about:config are probably never seen by the majority of users. Ultimately though, you're right: for the most part, privacy-focussed forks aren't offering anything that you couldn't manually configure for yourself in mainline Firefox, assuming you have the time, energy and interest.

Certainly, if you're in the habit of policing all of these relatively undocumented flags with each update to be sure you haven't been opted in to any telemetry you don't know about and assuming that all of it remains optional, you're absolutely unaffected. However, they now have a license to everything you do within Firefox which they state they will only use to "help" you. Does training their AI model to make targeted suggestions to users count as "helping"?

On another note, taking back a promise not to sell users' data, even if your personal data is protected because you rigorously police the about:config page, is not something many people are enthusiastic about. Just because I'm safe, doesn't mean everybody else is.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Hm I see, I have sync to keep my history and bookmarks synced across devices (also helps easily share urls among devices)😅

[–] adarza 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

the people freaking out are reading social media takes written by other people freaked out over other social media posts written by yet more others who are freaked out after not reading and fully comprehending the full policy documents...

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