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Hurling ordure at the TREACLES, especially those closely related to LessWrong.

AI-Industrial-Complex grift is fine as long as it sufficiently relates to the AI doom from the TREACLES. (Though TechTakes may be more suitable.)

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Its been a good minute since the last thread like this, and with the techno-fascist dystopia being unleashed through the Trump administration, it felt like the time was right to bring this back.

Anyways, this is mostly the same idea as before - find books (or articles) that come down upon the superficial TESCREAL version of cool things like a ton of scientific bricks.

Gonna start this thread off with a few random examples I've already found:

  • The questions ChatGPT shouldn’t answer (Elizabeth Lopatto) - Goes heavily into OpenAI's non-existent understanding of ethics, with a paragraph noting AI's links to LessWrong and effective altruism. (EDIT: Originally said "non-existent understanding of physics" - thanks to @blakestacey for catching that)

  • The Fake Nerd Boys of Silicon Valley (Lyta Gold) - A deep dive into Silicon Valley's fundamental misunderstanding of sci-fi. Not directly about TESCREAL, but still works wonders against it IMO.

  • "Main character syndrome" (Anna Gotlib) - Whilst primarily a critique of the titular phenomenon, it does also use longtermism/effective altruism as an example of such.

  • Questioning AI resource list - Exactly what it says on the tin.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Since Adam Becker apparently has a new book out that lays into TESCREAL-ism and Silicon Valley ideology, I'm going to give an anti-recommendation regarding his prior book, What Is Real?, which is about quantum mechanics. Unlike the Sequences, it's not cult shit. Instead, the ambience is more like Becker began with the physicist's typical indifference to history and philosophy, and he somehow maintained that indifference all the way through writing a book about history and philosophy. The result fairly shimmers with errors. He bungles the description of the Einstein--Podolsky--Rosen thought experiment, one of the foundational publications on quantum entanglement and a major moment in the "what is quantum physics all about?!" conversation. He just fails to report correctly what the Einstein--Podolsky--Rosen paper actually says. He makes a big deal about how "hardly any women or people who aren't white" appear in the story he's told, but there were plenty of people he could have included and just didn't — Jun Ishiwara, Hendrika Johanna van Leeuwen... — so he somehow made physics sound even more sexist and racist than it actually is. He raises a hullaballoo about how Grete Hermann's criticism of von Neumann was unjustly ignored, while not actually explaining what Grete Hermann's view of quantum mechanics was, or that she was writing about quantum entanglement before Einstein, Podolsky and Rosen! His treatment of Hermann still pisses me off every time I think about it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

For an exposition of Bayesian probability by people who actually know math, there's Ten Great Ideas About Chance by Persi Diaconis and Brian Skyrms (Princeton University Press, 2018). And for an interesting slice of the history of the subject, there's Cheryl Misak's Frank Ramsey: A Sheer Excess of Powers (Oxford University Press, 2020).

For quantum physics, one recent offering is Barton Zwiebach's Mastering Quantum Mechanics: Essentials, Theory, and Applications (MIT Press, 2022). I like the writing style and the structure of it, particularly how it revisits the same topics at escalating levels of sophistication. (I'd skip the Elitzur-Vaidman "bomb tester" thought experiment for reasons.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Another suggestion: Instead of indulging in LW-style Feynman worship, read James Gleick's biography of him. It does a pretty good job covering the actual science while giving a warts-and-all portrayal of the man.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

be like me and read the critique of pure reason and pierre bourdieu's distinction, you'll be ready for anything forever

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The description of "The questions ChatGPT shouldn't answer" doesn't seem to go with the text. Did you mean to link something else?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I didn't mean to link something else, I just mangled my description. Thanks for catching it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

The Wikibooks book on statistics is surprisingly decent. Hopefully it inspires the reader to acknowledge that there are a lot more things to study apart from Bayes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Larry Gonick's Cartoon Guide to the Computer is in part a time capsule from a bygone age, and also an introduction to topics of enduring importance. It's a comic book that explains how to design a Boolean circuit to implement an arbitrary truth table.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

One area where I don't know of good recommendations is theoretical computer science. I am not sure what to suggest that would accessibly teach topics like algorithmic/Kolmogorov information theory without sliding downhill into "we can automate the scientific method" crankery. Or, perhaps, which teaches the relevant concepts clearly and solidly enough to make it obvious that LW use of them is crankery.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

On that note, I would recommend perusing Underwood Dudley's Mathematical Cranks, not so much for the details of any math topic like trisecting an angle, but for the tone and psychology of the crank letters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Ran across a BlueSky thread that fits this perfectly - its a social sciences and humanities reading list on AI in education.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Does this need to be marked NSFW? I think the joke about tagging the more serious posts that way ran its course a while ago, and we haven't been sticking to it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

think there was a mod note a while ago (@dgerard? I think?) that nsfw was no longer required

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

I tagged it NSFW because the previous thread was tagged NSFW.