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Since 2001, Ron Deibert and his team at the University of Toronto's Citizen Lab have uncovered dozens of covert spy operations around the world, including the creators of the phone hacking spyware, Pegasus, created by the Israeli company, NSO group, whose clients include Saudi Arabia's Mohammed bin Salman, and Rwanda's Paul Kagame.

In a wide-ranging discussion, Deibert tells host Steve Paikin about his recent trip to the White House, the impact that the Trump administration's policies will have on cyber security worldwide, and why Canadians ought to be concerned by a bilateral agreement with the U.S. called the Cloud Act.

His new book is called, "Chasing Shadows: Cyber Espionage, Subversion, and the Global Fight for Democracy."