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Gotta love when racists use a single instance to push their hate. Yet most Rapist and Pedo’s in Italy are White. Hmmmmmmmmm. Maybe the whites should be locked up at birth to protect people.
I guess they can't blame this on foreigners can they?
Watch this news get buried so fast.
They are literally lancating a new law, maybe read the fucking artocle?
I meant in the news cycle here in America. My bad for not specifying.
Extreme punitive measures from the police and carceral organs of the state will not solve misogynistic violence. I’m glad people are fired up about the problem but this is the wrong approach. It’s been tried 1000 times for other things and it never works.
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For a country like Italy, it will also require a cultural shift. I know they love their macho style hombres but that comes with a downside. I dunno, start at schools perhaps, where you can teach children from little to big on how they should interact together?
The exact same goes for Mexico
But it works well for public opinion, which is what politicians care about most, unfortunately
But it will take the people who commit violence against women off the street. There are times when prison is not about rehabilitation its simply about removing danger.
Only after they do it. It doesn't prevent anything.
Isolation is the one part of the carceral system that does have some effect, but I don’t think it’s the best way to achieve even that part.
I guess I don’t know the previous situation in Italy with regards to this issue. Was there a large number of people getting caught for these offenses and then released? Because killing someone and locking them up for 20 years is basically just as good from the perspective of separating victim and offender. It would be better to focus on consistent investigation and capture than on harsher penalties.
Or on programs that work to prevent violence in the first place. But we would only pursue those if we cared more about helping potential victims than about hurting offenders. That doesn’t seem to be the priority for most people.
They're not looking to prevent violence they're looking to isolate violence.
Prison has never and will never be a deterrence
Their point was money is being spent. Is it not best spent on actually stopping this from happening?
We know that this isn't actually about that and prison is not either. That's not the point. The point is people are fighting for the wrong things if they actually want to help.
Italy probably has a different culture. Maybe it will work there, or they'll learn the hard way.
"It is often said 'not all men'. But they are always men." Elena, sister of 22-year-old Italian Giulia Cecchettin who was brutally murdered by her former boyfriend.
That's a very hyperbolic statement, and studies suggest about a quarter of spousal murders are committed by women. Closer to 3 in 8 in America.
How many of those were self-defense (from either sex)? I wouldn't mix them for this discussion.
You can try as much as you like to excuse women from responsibility for killing their partners, but the fact of the matter is, women can be just as ruthless as men, just usually in different ways.
Maternal infanticide is still a thing, and a "pediatric study of mothers in the general population found that 70% of mothers with colicky infants experienced explicit aggressive thoughts toward their infants, and over a quarter (26%) of them had infanticidal thoughts during colic episodes". So, 26% of these kind and loving creatures thought of killing their own child because they cried a lot.
There is a gender disparity, and a much greater difference in expression, but if you want to deal with the root causes of violence, you will have to look beyond gender.
And no, I don't have a pile of these saved up. I'm just willing to accept that people are people, regardless of gender or a myriad of other demographics, unless a clear link is shown between the demographic and the behavior being examined. The trend towards being shitty has far greater factors than gender.
Yeah I agree, I don’t even look at it as a gender thing. It’s a predator thing. Predators go after prey that’s weaker than them. That’s what they do. These woman killers might not be able to take on a man, but they’re strong enough to overpower a kid.
Huh? I explicitly said I would separate self defense for both sexes, because I believe those aren't what we are talking about. I wasn't defending or excusing "women".
Also, both women and men kill because of serious mental disorders ('insanity' in legal terms in the U.S.). How many of those maternal infanticides can be explained by post-partum psychosis or similar conditions? I wouldn't count murders by insane people (from neither sex).
I suspect you're not as unbiased as you'd think...
This whole thing started because of the line, "It's not all men, but it's always a man." I've given a number of circumstances where it's definitively not a man, so is it always a man or not?
OP, just trying to understand and learn. Why are all your posts fear and rage inducing? All your posts are less than two days old and all of them are articles about problematic topics.
All my posts are not 2 days old, and I posted a good news story today.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/35507046
It's possible for it to always be men yet still not apply to all men.
Shocker, I know.
Some of these people need a remedial English course.
Some of these people probably said that in Italian anyways.
And I don't expect that kind of nuance from someone whose sister just got murdered.