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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Clive Palmer's stupid campaign ad that mentions "not needing to be welcomed to our own country" probably contributed to this. Especially because the guy is 26 and those are constantly rolling on youtube.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

Nah, these were neo-Nazis, they're not taking their cues from Palmer, they're taking them from... another guy.

From the ABC article (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-25/melbourne-anzac-day-welcome-to-country-hecklers/105215124):

Police were later seen escorting prominent neo-Nazi Jacob Hersant away from the service.

In November, Hersant was the first Victorian found guilty of performing an illegal Nazi salute in public and was sentenced to one month behind bars.

The ABC understands a group of far-right extremists were present at the Shrine.

This quote cited on his Wikipedia page (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Hersant):

After his conviction in 2024 for performing a Nazi salute in public, he stated to journalists "I'm ready to go to jail, because I'm a Hitler soldier and what I'm doing is right".[8]

[–] [email protected] 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (3 children)

I suffer from the paradox of tolerance whereby those who want a tolerant society must not tolerate intolerance. Those that are intolerant must be removed from society if you are to truly achieve tolerance.

I guess I'm fascist now too..

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

The paradox is the result of the liberalist idea of some universal right to tolerance; that there's some inherent moral or pragmatic obligation for us to just tolerate everyone and everything possible.

There's no moral nor pragmatic benefit to tolerating neo-nazis in a community. We don't need some mental gymanastical paradox to excuse that fact. Being a neo-nazi is a personal choice to be harmful antisocial scum, comparable to child abusers and billionaires, and the abstract liberalist idea that they automatically deserve freedom, liberty or tolerance in the first place is pointless and dangerous.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

The paradox of tolerance isn't a paradox when you look at it not as a hard rule, but a social contract.

If ya wanna decide the social contract, rules of order or just plain human niceties don't apply....well then they don't apply to you, either. The ol' absolute freedom gotcha

[–] [email protected] 8 points 21 hours ago

Nah that's legit. If you're going to have a tolerant society, you can't show that same tolerance to those who are intolerant because they are a threat to the tolerance and will eradicate you. I think it was Karl Popper? To preserve a tolerant society we have to exercise the right to not tolerate the intolerant.