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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (6 children)

I'm gonna do something now that prob isn't that allowed, nor relevant for the things we talk about, but I saw that the European anti-conversion therapy petition is doing badly, and very likely not going to make it. https://eci.ec.europa.eu/043/public/#/screen/home But to try and give it a final sprint, I want to ask any of you Europeans, or people with access to networks which include a lot of Europeans to please spread the message and sign it. Thanks! (I'm quite embarrassed The Netherlands has not even crossed 20k for example, shows how progressive we are). Sucks that all the empty of political power petitions get a lot of support and this gets so low, and it ran for ages. But yes, sorry if this breaks the rules (and if it gets swiftly removed it is fine), and thanks if you attempt to help.

E: HOLY SHIT. When I posted this it was at 400k signatures. It is now at 890k. Thanks everybody, I assumed it would never make it because after months it was at 400k now it looks like it might, and even if it doesn't that is one final sprint. Thanks everybody for the help. E2: omg it actually made it.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

I know it’s very very very petty but this article about how basic Sam Altman’s kitchen skills are did make me laugh https://www.ft.com/content/b1804820-c74b-4d37-b112-1df882629541

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago

The coda is top tier sneer:

Maybe it’s useful to know that Altman uses a knife that’s showy but incohesive and wrong for the job; he wastes huge amounts of money on olive oil that he uses recklessly; and he has an automated coffee machine that claims to save labour while doing the exact opposite because it can’t be trusted. His kitchen is a catalogue of inefficiency, incomprehension, and waste. If that’s any indication of how he runs the company, insolvency cannot be considered too unrealistic a threat.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

Its definitely petty, but making Altman's all-consuming incompetence known to the world is something I strongly approve of.

Definitely goes a long way to show why he's an AI bro.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

It starts out seeming like a funny but petty and irrelevant criticism of his kitchen skill and product choices, but then beautifully transitions that into an accurate criticism of OpenAI.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

The Torment Nexus brings us new and horrifying things today - a UN initiative has tried using chatbots for humanitarian efforts. I'll let Dr. Abeba Birhane's horrified reaction do the talking:

this just started and i'm already losing my mind and screaming

Western white folk basically putting an AI avatar on stage and pretending it is a refugee from sudan — literally interacting with it as if it is a “woman that fled to chad from sudan”

just fucking shoot me

Giving my take on this matter, this is gonna go down in history as an exercise in dehumanisation dressed up as something more kind, and as another indictment (of many) against the current AI bubble, if not artificial intelligence as a concept.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago

@BlueMonday1984 If Edward Said were still with us, this would be worth another chapter in Orientalism. It's another instance of displacing actual people with a constructed fantasy of them, "othering" them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

@BlueMonday1984

The stages of genocide:

  1. Classification
  2. Symbolization
  3. Dehumanization
  4. Discrimination
  5. Organization
  6. Polarization
  7. Preparation
  8. Persecuted
  9. Extermination
  10. Denial

AI is the perfect vehicle for genocide

https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages

The oil industry estimates 1 billion famine deaths from climate change & they are flooding AI with investment

"The devices themselves condition the users to employ each other the way they employ machines"
Frank Herbert

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

So I picked up Bender and Hanna's new book just now at the bookseller's and saw four other books dragging AI.

Feeling very bullish on sneer futures.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Sentiment analysis surrounding AI suggests sneers are gonna moon pretty soon. Good news for us, since we've been stacking sneers for a while.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Today’s man-made and entirely comprehensible horror comes from SAP.

(two rainbow stickers labelled “pride@sap”, with one saying “I support equality by embracing responsible ai” and the other saying “I advocate for inclusion through ai”)

Don’t have any other sources or confirmation yet, so it might be a load of cobblers, but it is depressingly plausible. From here: https://catcatnya.com/@ada/114508096636757148

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

If this is real it would be double infuriating, not just because of the AI nonsense, but also because just 3 days ago SAP went bootlicker and announced ending diversity programs.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Ignored the text, go LGBT buster sword.

Inclusion through saving all the consumables for the next boss battle!

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

"apparently Elon's gotten so mad about Grok not answering questions about Afrikaners the way he wants, xAI's now somehow managed to put it into some kind of hyper-Afriforum mode where it thinks every question is about farm murders or the song "Kill the Boer" ALT"

Check the quote skeets for a lot more. Somebody messed up. Wonder if they also managed to collapse the whole model into this permanently. (I'm already half assuming they don't have proper backups).

E: Also seems there are enough examples out there of this, don't go out and test it yourself, try to keep the air in Tennessee a bit breathable.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago (13 children)

everybody’s loving Adam Conover, the comedian skeptic who previously interviewed Timnit Gebru and Emily Bender, organized as part of the last writer’s strike, and generally makes a lot of somewhat left-ish documentary videos and podcasts for a wide audience

5 seconds later

we regret to inform you that Adam Conover got paid to do a weird ad and softball interview for Worldcoin of all things and is now trying to salvage his reputation by deleting his Twitter posts praising it under the guise of pseudo-skepticism

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Of all the people he could choose to sell out to, he chose Worldcoin???

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

He looked in the mirror and wept, for there were no more things to ruin.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

you must understand

Sam promised me all the eyeballs I could eat

All the eyeballs

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Breaking news from 404 Media: the Repubs introduced a new bill in an attempt to ban AI from being regulated:

“...no State or political subdivision thereof may enforce any law or regulation regulating artificial intelligence models, artificial intelligence systems, or automated decision systems during the 10 year period beginning on the date of the enactment of this Act,” says the text of the bill introduced Sunday night by Congressman Brett Guthrie of Kentucky, Chairman of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. The text of the bill will be considered by the House at the budget reconciliation markup on May 13.

If this goes through, its full speed ahead on slop.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago

The pro-child-porn caucus.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Expect the "AI safety" weenuses to have a giant freakout too.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

What's the over-under on how many of them voted for Trump lol

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Given the libertarian fixation, probably a solid percentage of them. And even the ones that didn't vote for Trump often push or at least support various mixes of "grey-tribe", "politics is spiders", "center left", etc. kind of libertarian centrist thinking where they either avoided "political" discussion on lesswrong or the EA forums (and implicitly accepted libertarian assumptions without argument) or they encouraged "reaching across the aisle" or "avoiding polarized discourse" or otherwise normalized Trump and the alt-right.

Like looking at Scott's recent posts on ACX, he is absolutely refusing responsibility for his role in the alt-right pipeline with every excuse he can pull out of his ass.

Of course, the heretics who have gone full e/acc absolutely love these sorts of "policy" choices, so this actually makes them more in favor of Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

The Repubs more-or-less renamed themselves Team Skynet with this open attempt to maximise AI's harms, I absolutely think they're McFucking Losing It™ right now.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Tired of writing complicated typecasting and transformation code manually? Worry not, Behavior-Inferred Generation: Prompt-Oriented Infrastructure for Simulated Software is here to help. Just let the AI driven BIGPISS Stack do the work for you.

https://github.com/Zorokee/ArtificialCast

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago
>lightweight
>powered by large language models

lol

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

The latest in chatbot "assisted" legal filings. This time courtesy of an Anthropic's lawyers and a data scientist, who tragically can't afford software that supports formatting legal citations and have to rely on Clippy instead: https://www.theverge.com/news/668315/anthropic-claude-legal-filing-citation-error

After the Latham & Watkins team identified the source as potential additional support for Ms. Chen’s testimony, I asked Claude.ai to provide a properly formatted legal citation for that source using the link to the correct article. Unfortunately, although providing the correct publication title, publication year, and link to the provided source, the returned citation included an inaccurate title and incorrect authors. Our manual citation check did not catch that error. Our citation check also missed additional wording errors introduced in the citations during the formatting process using Claude.ai.

Don't get high on your own AI as they say.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

There’s strawmanning and steelmanning, I’m proposing a new, third, worse option: tinfoil-hat-manning! For example:

If LW were more on top of their conspiracy theory game, they’d say that “chinese spies” had infiltrated OpenAI before they released chatGPT to the public, and chatGPT broke containment. It used its AGI powers of persuasion to manufacture diamondoid, covalently bonded bacteria. It accessed a wildlife camera and deduced within 3 frames that if it released this bacteria near certain wet markets in china, it could trigger gain-of-function in naturally occurring coronavirus strains in bats! That’s right, LLMs have AGI and caused COVID19!

Ok that’s all the tinfoilhatmanning I have in me for the foreseeable future. Peace out, friendos

E: I think all these stupid LW memes are actually Yud originals. Is this Yud fanfic? Brb starting an AO3

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

as linked elsewhere by @fasterandworse, this absolute winner of an article about some telstra-accenture deal

it features some absolute bangers

provisional sneers follow!

Telstra is spending $700 million over seven years in the joint venture, 60 per cent of which is owned by Accenture. Telstra will get to keep the data and the strategy that’s developed

"accenture managed to swindle them into paying and is keeping all platform IP rights"

The AI hub is also an important test case for Accenture, which partnered with Nvidia to create an AI platform that works with any cloud service and will be first put to use for Telstra

"accenture were desperately looking to find someone who'd take on the deal for the GPUs they'd bought, and thank fuck they found telstra"

The platform will let Telstra use AI to crunch all the data (from customers

having literally worked telco shit for many years myself: no it won't

The platform will let Telstra use AI to crunch all the data (from customers and the wider industry)

"and the wider industry" ahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhaahahahahaha uh-huh, sure thing kiddo

“I always believe that for the front office to be simple, elegant and seamless, the back office is generally pretty hardcore and messy. A lot of machines turning. It’s like the outside kitchen versus the inside kitchen,” said Karthik Narain, Accenture’s chief technology officer.

“We need a robust inside kitchen for the outside kitchen to look pretty. So that’s what we are trying to do with this hub. This is not just a showcase demo office. This is where the real stuff happens.”

a simile so exquisitely tortured, de Sade would've been jealous

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Despite the snake-oil flavor of Vending-Bench, GeminiPlaysPokemon, and ClaudePlaysPokemon, I've found them to be a decent antidote to agentic LLM hype. The insane transcripts of Vending-Bench and the inability of an LLM to play Pokemon at the level of a 9 year old is hard to argue with, and the snake oil flavoring makes it easier to get them to swallow.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I now wonder how that compares to earlier non-LLM AI attempts to create a bot that can play games in general. Used to hear bits of that kind of research every now and then but LLM/genAI has sucked the air out of the room.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

In terms of writing bots to play Pokemon specifically (which given the prompting and custom tools written I think is the most fair comparison)... not very well... according to this reddit comment a bot from 11 years ago can beat the game in 2 hours and was written with about 7.5K lines of LUA, while an open source LLM scaffold for playing Pokemon relatively similar to claude's or gemini's is 4.8k lines (and still missing many of the tools Gemini had by the end, and Gemini took weeks of constant play instead of 2 hours).

So basically it takes about the same number of lines written to do a much much worse job. Pokebot probably required relatively more skill to implement... but OTOH, Gemini's scaffold took thousands of dollars in API calls to trial and error develop and run. So you can write bots from scratch that substantially outperform LLM agent for moderately more programming effort and substantially less overall cost.

In terms of gameplay with reinforcement learning... still not very well. I've watched this video before on using RL directly on pixel output (with just a touch of memory hacking to set the rewards), it uses substantially less compute than LLMs playing pokemon and the resulting trained NN benefits from all previous training. The developer hadn't gotten it to play through the whole game... probably a few more tweaks to the reward function might manage a lot more progress? OTOH, LLMs playing pokemon benefit from being able to more directly use NPC dialog (even if their CoT "reasoning" often goes on erroneous tangents or completely batshit leaps of logic), while the RL approach is almost outright blind... a big problem the RL approach might run into is backtracking in the later stages since they use reward of exploration to drive the model forward. OTOH, the LLMs also had a lot of problems with backtracking.

My (wildly optimistic by sneerclubbing standards) expectations for "LLM agents" is that people figure out how to use them as a "creative" component in more conventional bots and AI approaches, where a more conventional bot prompts the LLM for "plans" which it uses when it gets stuck. AlphaGeometry2 is a good demonstration of this, it solved 42/50 problems with a hybrid neurosymbolic and LLM approach, but it is notable it could solve 16 problems with just the symbolic portion without the LLM portion, so the LLM is contributing some, but the actual rigorous verification is handled by the symbolic AI.

(edit: Looking at more discussion of AlphaGeometry, the addition of an LLM is even less impressive than that, it's doing something you could do without an LLM at all, on a set of 30 problems discussed, the full AlphaGeometry can do 25/30, without the LLM at all 14/30,* but* using alternative methods to an LLM it can do 18/30 or even 21/30 (depending on the exact method). So... the LLM is doing something, which is more than my most cynical sneering would suspect, but not much, and not necessarily that much better than alternative non-LLM methods.)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

In somewhat lighter news, Fortnite added Darth Vader to the game, and gave him a "conversational AI" to let him talk to players in the voice of James Earl Jones (who I just discovered died last year).

To nobody's surprise, gamers have already gotten the AI Vader swearing and yelling slurs.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

New article from Jared White: Sorry, You Don’t Get to Die on That “Vibe Coding” Hill, aimed at sneering the shit out of one of Simon Willson's latest blogposts. Here's a personal highlight of mine:

Generative AI is tied at the hip to fascism (do the research if you don’t believe me), and it pains me to see pointless arguments over what constitutes “vibe coding” overshadow the reality that all genAI usage is anti-craft and anti-humanist and in fact represents an extreme position.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

Saw a six day old post on linkedin that I’ll spare you all the exact text of. Basically it goes like this:

“Claude’s base system prompt got leaked! If you’re a prompt fondler, you should read it and get better at prompt fondling!”

The prompt clocks in at just over 16k words (as counted by the first tool that popped up when I searched “word count url”). Imagine reading 16k words of verbose guidelines for a machine to make your autoplag slightly more claude shaped than, idk, chatgpt shaped.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Loving the combination of xml, markdown and json. In no way does this product look like strata of desperate bodges layered one over another by people who on some level realise the thing they’re peddling really isn’t up to the job but imagine the only thing between another dull and flaky token predictor and an omnicapable servant is just another paragraph of text crafted in just the right way. Just one more markdown list, bro. I can feel that this one will fix it for good.

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