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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago

This happens quite often - pointing out someone may have inadvertently spoken from a position of blindness gets you more outrage from the ego blow than the actual offense itself. You can pretty much triple that shit for anyone right leaning.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It’s pretty gross. Made even grosser in the context of the Voice, where one of the things the No campaign has been doing is attempting to label the Yes campaign as the real racists. What utter bollocks.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Shit has become so unhinged. This is my first referendum so I'm sure how it compares. But the rhetoric just feels so vicious. The no campaign say the voice is divisive but it's their campaign that's divisive. They're importing some of vilest culture war tactics from the US.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

@Nonameuser678 @Zagorath

Gay marriage referendum didn't get as vicious as this and that's saying a lot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The conservatives have been getting worse over the past say, 10 years, Trump kind of accelerated things and that style of "who cares what the truth is" was exported from the US.

The right wing in general was always going to end up being like this though.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Straight out of the US conservative playbook. An embarrassing look in Australia, and shows in the most obvious way that they are not acting in good faith.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Similarly, expect the networks and avenues of communication being built to be rolled into other areas as well. Trans rights, same sex marriage etc. will all be targets anew. Wouldn’t entirely be surprised if we started to see a push back against gun laws either.

We’ve had hints of this in the past but this is by far the most direct coupling between the US reactionary right and Australia’s.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure same sex marriage will be much more than a fringe issue in Australia, for a long time at least. That plebiscite was a pretty strong indication of sentiment, and i think it'll only have grown stronger in favour, in the years since.

A few years back i heard a polling researcher say one of the strengths of the same sex marriage question was there's a high proprtion of family's who have a personal connection with someone who is non-binary, (is that the universal term in this context?). They thought that personal connection had a large effect on the type of response.

Connecting that, though, to the Voice question. Considering a population of ~3% and less interspersed throughout the population, and it seems that could be a weakness for the Yes side.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Murdoch created the "American" playbook :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Murdochs a hack, always has been. The games they play have been played by others for centuries. Look up Yellow Journalism and Hearst

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Calling someone a racist is a pretty serious accusation, and a direct attack on that person. Are we really surprised someone will bristle at the accusation? Or dislike the fact someone is dismissing their views outright based on such a generalisation?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The good news is that society has accepted that racism is a bad thing.

The bad news is that the main consequence of this is that it’s unacceptable to accuse anyone of racism if they have any social capital. It’s also unacceptable to shout racial slurs and such, but if someone is sufficiently rich, talented or well-connected, even that can be explained away as consistent with them not being racist.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's something you see online a lot online, and that is people dismissing opinions or viewpoints as racist offhand without considering them, and I'm glad people are pushing back.

Debate the point, not the person.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well, these things can easily be weaponised as we've seen in the UK and US, but even here - I remember when Jordan Shanks was called racist, for mocking Bruz - they're both Southern European decendants!!? Though Shanks is half Scottish.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know who either of those people are, sorry.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Jordan Shanks exposes political corruption of deputy premier John "Bruz" Barilaro while renting his second "working farm" house. Priceless, absolutely hilarious. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dC_8IY6WlHU

Shanks was sued for this. Barilaro resigned playing the victim. Eventually disgraced when it was found he was trying to land a plum job in New York that he created for himself. Shanks was talking about it before any mainstream media outlet but is vilified by them, naturally. Shanks' house was firebombed. His producer was arrested by cops busting into his home. Business as Usual down under.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You mean friendly jordies? I did hear about that, yes.

[–] usualsuspect191 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Turn on the YouTube subtitles for extra hilarity. 30 years later and technology still can't understand a raw Australian accent.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Marcia Langton, one of the key architects of the voice to parliament proposal, found herself at the centre of a fracas midweek when comments she’d made last Sunday during a public forum at Edith Cowan University appeared on the Australian newspaper’s website shortly before question time on Tuesday.

The Coalition had resolved to use the final parliamentary sitting week before the referendum to go full demolition on the voice, and the deputy Liberal leader, Sussan Ley, opened the batting in question time.

This whole stink bomb turned on whether or not Langton harboured views about the prevalence of racism in her own country, and whether her observations about this phenomenon amounted to a provable thought crime.

Examples of institutionalised racism include but are not limited to: the lie that there was no one here when the British arrived; the documented atrocities of frontier massacres; the policies of forced removal of Aboriginal children from their families – practices that have contributed to a prevalence of intergenerational trauma, a studied phenomenon in survivors of the stolen generations.

As the Olympian and former Labor senator Nova Peris argued this week, a constitutionally recognised advisory body will allow the lived experiences of First Nations people to be seen.

Langton was perfectly within her rights to posit that some Australians who are resolved to vote no on 14 October will do so because they harbour racist views, or are being influenced by a toxic sludge of negative messaging.


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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's the same back in the fatherland, Blighty.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would be appreciated if you didn't refer to the UK as the "fatherland" in the context of Australia. It might be seen as a bit backwards and disregarding of the long history of this land, before British settlement

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I used it intentionally mockingly just to be clear.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Cool, thanks for the clarification