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A few years ago we were able to upgrade everything (OS and Apps) using a single command. I remember this was something we boasted about when talking to Windows and Mac fans. It was such an amazing feature. Something that users of proprietary systems hadn't even heard about. We had this on desktops before things like Apple's App Store and Play Store were a thing.

We can no longer do that thanks to Flatpaks and Snaps as well as AppImages.

Recently i upgraded my Fedora system. I few days later i found out i was runnig some older apps since they were Flatpaks (i had completely forgotten how I installed bitwarden for instance.)

Do you miss the old system too?

Is it possible to bring back that experience? A unified, reliable CLI solution to make sure EVERYTHING is up to date?

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

yeah like other people have rec'd, I just wrote a script for installing/removing/upgrading/searching all the package managers I have. this was used as a tongue in cheek jab and has never truly been a brag.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

What about pkcon? I haven't used it in particular, but packagekit based GUIs work pretty well in my experience, and then it supports flatpak/snap/apt/kde addons/etc in one interface, which is better than it was originally.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I think a script with apt/pacman/dnf etc., flatpak update can do the job as well?

IMO its against the unix vision to extend apt to manage flatpak as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Snap forces updates, and you cannot disable them. So if you use snaps, I guess you can stop worrying and keep going with your usual apt routine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I mostly stick to things in the repos, if theres something I want that's not yet packaged I package it myself because Gentoo packages are fancy bash scripts with libraries (eclasses) to handle the normal make && make install sort of things for most build systems

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I use Fedora for work, but ArchLinux at home. If you really want to skip flatpak then you need the AUR.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Is it possible to bring back that experience? A unified, reliable CLI solution to make sure EVERYTHING is up to date?

Yes. Use a Linux distro that doesn't use flatpacks and you're good to go.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yeah, flatpaks are a pain in the ass. So glad that I don't have to use them since switching to Arch.

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