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[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 82 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This isn't life imitating art. It's art imitating life.

It's just that this story in real life has been going on for a long time, since well before the first Dune books were written.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 39 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's like when people say it's crazy how "Andor predicted this". Like no dawg, this has happened before.

[–] JamesTBagg@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

I saw some interview and the creator of Andor was a history student, or they referenced history for the writing. Basically they just followed fascism 101 for the plot design.

[–] SamuraiBeandog@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

While there are a lot of parallels to conflicts in the middle east, Dune was largely inspired by the Russian empire's war against the people of the Caucuses that were united by Imam Shamyl in the 1800s. The book The Sabres of Paradise details Shamyl's life and the conflict and much of the Fremen culture is basically lifted wholesale from it.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 days ago
[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 58 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I mean, herbert intended spice to be a metaphor for oil and the fremen are arab/muslim-coded for a reason. It's just that this same conflict has been going on a long time.

[–] DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Important note, I feel. In the book it's jihad, in the movies it's holy war. Presumably because America has been so openly Islamophobic the last twenty plus years, that I imagine the audience would have perceived racism, when, in fact, the 1965 text says jihad. Just like to point that out as an interesting historical and cultural note. (Side note, haven't seen the latest, but I remember at least the first one saying holy war and never jihad.)

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

The final script for Dune: Part Two also never used the word "jihad".

And for anyone curious, "jihad" literally means an exertion, an effort, or a struggle. The sense of righteousness is implied with context.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I was thinking it was because of reactionaries who would freak out about the "good guy" leading a "jihad".

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I mean they never read the book too, where it's pretty obvious that the Paul's jihad is something horrific he wanted to avoid, and the next books when it's obvious that Paul was not even a good guy (and he did not even seen himself as one!)

[–] DaMonsterKnees@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago

Yes, a solid point too. Paul saw this jihad washing over the whole of the galaxy and he really really really didn't want it, but didn't know how to do the one without the other. English teachers must have an absolute blast with this one. Heh, like Jesus seeing the crusades and going... wait.... shit.

[–] white_nrdy@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago

Like how he straight up said he was worse (in terms of people his genocide has killed) thank Hitler and Ghengis Khan....

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago

Right, these are people who do not read books

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago

And then the "hero" of the story, using religion to become the most genocidal dictator in the history of mankind.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 4 points 2 days ago

Also their entire religion is fake and the prophecy was made up ages ago so a different cult could use it when they felt they needed.