Free and Open Source Software

I'm a software engineer who uses a lot of open source software and I use Apple devices whenever possible. Electronic devices cost a lot of money, so I want my money to count. With that said, every Apple device I've owned has lasted me for a very long time and are still working today; The longest one being a 2012 Macbook Air which is still alive and kicking today after 2 battery replacements.

Every iPhone I've ever owned have received major iOS updates for 5-6 years. Meanwhile, every Android flagship phone (which costs similarly to the latest and greatest iPhones) I've owned have stopped getting major Android updates after 2-3 years. People criticize Apple for planned obsolescence, but other brands have it worse.

Even if you do listen to your friend's advice and decide to go for another brand, which one actually advocates for the ideals your friend has shared with you? The direct alternatives to Apple products aren't better in any philosophical way. The ones that do either offer a completely difference experience or an inferior product.

Don't feel bad about what your friend is saying. He doesn't pay for your stuff.

I like your scientific way of looking at things i am a software developer and i know few people who are using apple laptops and phones and they are defending everything that company make or say or do even it is a very anti-consumer decition like their implementation of right to repair so i am glad that not every apple user is also in their cult

Your friend is right about open source as an idea and companies like Apple being antithetical to that idea. However, unless you have the time and determination to make a hobby out of it, just keep using whatever tech works for you. I say this as a Linux and Android user who really dislikes Apple's walled garden. Your choices as an individual consumer will only significantly matter to you.

The only Apple thing I ever enjoyed using was a ][e.

Apple is the symbol for a walled garden that feeds it's inhabitants overpriced crap and they love it.

When buying tech products I mainly care about if they are integrated with each other or not.

A lot of people do. That's why apple made sure you can only use apple devices with other apple devices. Bluetooth allows users to share files between any two devices? Better make sure an iPhone can't connect to anything that doesn't have an i prefix in it's name. You like our earbuds, buy an iPhone if you want the buttons to work. Sure, you can play music over the radio from your phone while driving, oh you don't have an iPhone, get fucked.

And it's an effective strategy. You start off with a phone, add a watch and earbuds to it, and the next thing you know you're buying a $1k stand for a $5k monitor to work with your $7k cheese grater of a tower. Because what are you going to do, give up on connectivity, throw away all of your apple devices, or go all the way in on the apple koolaid?

Don't even get me started on the quality of their overpriced crap, or the fact that they've been fighting tooth and nail to keep making ewaste instead of allowing the users to repair and upgrade their devices. Watch any video on the topic from Louis Rossmann.

Tldr

Fuck apple

(Note that I'm not much of a tech wiz myself, so I only roughly understand the issue with the lack of privacy.)

When it comes to weighing the pros and cons between security versus convenience, it's hard for me to say that one tops the other. We live in a fast-paced world. At the same time, I hate the idea of people profiting off my data and trying to snoop. A lot of companies like Apple have an iffy reputation when it comes to data security, even though they say they protect your data and privacy. At the same time, many companies provide services which have become an integrated part in people's lives.

I have an Android because I love dabbling with FOSS apps. I never want to have a phone from Apple. However, I also have an iPad— and I'm planning on getting a MacBook. The iPad is good for taking notes and making digital art, while the MacBook helps me deal with industry standards in my future career field.

So for me, I'm not indifferent but... I guess a better way to word it is that I'm wary. On a day-to-day basis I prefer efficiency, but in the long-term I think it might bite me in the ass. Somehow. If it didn't already. (Probably did.)

I don't use Apple products myself, although I do have an old iPad. My main issue with them isn't a moral one though, it's that Apple seem to design their products to work as slickly as possible with their own ecosystem to the detriment of everything else.

If you use an iPhone, an iPad, an Apple Watch and a Mac then you're probably enjoying a great user experience. If you want to use an Apple device with anything else you're probably in for some amount of pain. I'm not against them, but they're not for me.

I do try and use FOSS software where I can, not least Lemmy and Mastodon, but my main devices are a Windows PC along with an Android phone and tablet. Windows is obviously closed source, and while Android itself is open source you can't say the same for all the vital Google stuff on top. I have a plan to get my hands on a high specced Raspberry Pi when they're finally back in stock and use it as my main home desktop for light use. If I had a laptop of my own I'd definitely be running Linux on it too.

I think everyone should absolutely look into FOSS hardware and software, although in reality I doubt most people would care. If anything it's just the "free" part they care about, but there's obviously a huge benefit in software and hardware being free for others to build on, fork and improve. I'd love nothing more than seeing everything work on this principle, but that's sadly not the world we live in.

I do think apple's new ARM chips are neat. Other than that, it's been so long since I last used anything made by Apple that I can't say I have much of an opinion on them. My opinion on mobile phones in general is that I have a pick between two ecosystems (android or iOS), both of which have their own significant issues for me personally. I want a third serious competitor in that space more than anything.

I do think people outside the tech field should look into FOSS stuff, but not necessarily that they should drop everything they're doing and install linux (unless you really want to, in which case try it out in a vm, or backup all your files and go for it lol). Tbh unless you've got issues with your current setup, just keep using what you're using as long as it makes you happy. Odds are you already use some open source stuff, since a ton of libraries/components used by various programs are open source. There's a ton of FOSS applications that are cross platform, so you could always try those out on MacOS or iOS.

I have an iPhone, use a MacBook for work (only options are windows and Mac), but use Linux at home. I was an android user years ago, but one of the things that pushed me away is google treating android users as a data source. There were ‘bugs’ which caused the google services to run constantly in the background. In my opinion, Apple cares about users privacy lot more than google does. Use whatever tool suits you best.

They everything is so well integrated and the performance per watt of their m series CPUs are genuinely impressive. But for me, their hatred of open source, their unrivalled lobbying against right to repair while green washing about how much they care about the environment, preaching privacy while collecting similar amounts of data as Microsoft and Google (but generally keeping it for themselves and their contractors), and the extreme restrictions they impose on their platforms (especially iOS) means I would never spend money on one.

@IronTwo Yep. I don't use Apple primarily because their ecosystem is too closed and you gotta register and buy a programming license from them to do any programming.

Screw all that, I'm staying where the ability to program my devices is guaranteed and I can load and run free software if I want and I don't have to get permission from mega-corp to change the apps I run.

I've decided that if I have to be in an ecosystem, it'll be Apple's. I currently have an iPhone, a Apple Watch, and I use the Airpods Pro daily.

I'm a programmer, and an engineer. I love to tinker with stuff. electrical, mechanical, software. Most of the time. But as I get older (now 26 so not too old, but old enough to remember my mom's tiny blue Nokia as the first cell phone in the house) and busier with life, I've realized that there's some stuff I want to just work. I don't care if I can customize it, I don't care if I have to spend a few minutes getting used to a new layout change that was "forced" on me.. For me, my phone isn't something to fool around with, hack, or mod out the wazoo. It's a business tool. My watch helps me keep track of my health, and all I have to do is put it on and keep it charged. The Airpods are so seamless to use it's silly. For this part of my life (phone, watch/health, listening), I want the absolute lowest amount of friction.

I can also defer software updates as long as I like, which is more than I can say for say Windows. I used the same OS from 2016 to 2020 because I didn't want to update to the new layouts. My iPhone would ask me to update every so often, but I'd just hit cancel and that'd be it until the next major update.

Apple is also a hardware company to begin with, as opposed to other companies with ecosystems, so with that I at least feel like they care a little bit less about making money off my data because they're already making money off me buying the hardware and iCloud.

First, thank you for taking the time to think about this and post this here. Your question and the responses have been quite informative and thought provoking :)

People have talked excellently about closed ecosystems, anti-competative practices and some of the corporate issues. Let me pitch in my 2 cents without repeating any of those valid things.

The central question in all of this debates come down to ownership. I believe that I can give away parts of things I create and most of the stuff eventually so that other people can build things based on that. I also believe that I can still sell things I make because there is enough space for all of us. Would you not provide references you used to learn something you excel at to another doctor because you're afraid they'll affect your income or make more money than you?

Apple at its core opposes this idea. They believe that if they share how their stuff is made or how to make stuff that works well with their ecosystem, they will lose their competitive advantage. So they basically do all sorts of things like sabotaging your fellow doctors or removing references to make sure you're in the best position.

I believe that this is basically driven by corporate greed. They don't want other players to thrive in the market or build new and amazing things based on what they've developed. So they hoard all their stuff.

They aren't a fledgling startup, they're one of the biggest companies in the world, yet they've become more greedy, not less.

The sad thing is that macos is built on Unix and there is no reason for things to be the way they are. If the open-sourced their code, people would still buy their very well integrated laptops with an amazing ecosystem, even buy their software (people still buy books when ebooks are available for free). They would still be big and really profitable but just not as much.