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The Lemmy Developers are now personally blocking and banning users and communities critical of Tankies and the Developers. (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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A few years ago, the Lemmy Developers decided to keep their political views on lemmygrad while keeping lemmy.ml more neutral. Now they are banning users who are critical of their actions and bigotry.

Anti-Tankie posts may put you at risk of being banned from commenting and posting on the lemmy.ml instance.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Muting lemmy.ml and Hexbear has improved my lemmy experience significantly

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just saw an upvoted post on hex that I forgot to block that’s said China and NK should take over Taiwan while this whole HAMAS Israel thing is going on.

Also most of them think HAMAS and Palestine did nothing wrong by killing 300 people…they’re “fighting for their freedom”

They’re also anti Ukraine

Fuck them all

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

they are literally a death cult. they love hearing and seeing innocents die

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I started with an account on Lemmy.ml and was banned when I argued with the owner/developer, Dessalines, about the Xinjiang genocide being real. I noped out of there very quickly, and you should too. Other users have been banned for questioning the Tiananmen Square massacre.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Wait, what do they think happened at Tienanmen Square then? And do they paint the wiki article about it as "fake news"?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yes, literally. They argue it was a “mostly peaceful” student protest and a few people maybe got killed when they attacked police. They argue the scope and severity has been fabricated by the West, and that there is no evidence of a massacre.

All the usual tinfoil hat stuff you can expect from leftwing authoritarians.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

They blame the students for the deaths and that it also never happened.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh wow really? You should link that!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had to dig a bit because Dessalines deleted the comments, but I found a screenshot. It references the Xinjiang genocide, not the Tiananmen Square massacre. Other users in the same thread were getting banned for discussing the Tiananmen Square massacre, but my ban was based on my comments about the Xinjiang genocide.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He deleted the comments? Can you link to the thread? Surely some of the comments by the other users should still be up

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It was many months ago and my account doesn’t show any of the comments anymore. Can you tell me how to locate the thread if my comments have been deleted? The username is in the screenshot.

Surely some of the comments by the other users should still be up

Surely if he deleted my comments, he deleted all the other critical comments too. I don’t follow your logic.

Edit: I found his comment on the thread. As you can see, my comments have been deleted. Most of the other comments on that thread being critical of Lemmy.ml and Dessalines have also been removed due to “orientalism.” This is what they call “being critical of China.”

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which side did you argue?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That it’s real, of course. Why would arguing the inverse get me banned on Lemmy.ml?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People: "Come to the fediverse, there are no fascists, everything is cool and free of toxicity."

The fediverse: tankies, people who simps for tankies, genocidal apologists, harassment...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sums it up seemingly well. The only upsid is that they created a platform they can not control AFAIK. So other instances can do whatever they want.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Give them time, they will eventually self-defederate.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

People: “Come to the fediverse, there are no fascists, everything is cool and free of toxicity.”

There are definitely fascists on the fediverse, they don't use the reddit-like (lemmy/kbin) part of the fediverse since exploding-heads shut down.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

exploding-heads are fascists, but I wasn't talking about them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Hey internet, can we just not go fash or tankie for like 5 minutes? kthxbye

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This place is a cesspool compared to Tildes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yes but counter-point: the owner of Tildes literally calls himself god, and acts like it. At least we can block lemmy.ml and just not go there.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

U can always trust a tankie to censor anything they don't like at any opportunity. They are the ultimate bad faith actors.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Can we avoid conflating Lemmy with individual instances like lemmy.ml?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't think you quite understand. These are the actual developers of the software that is lemmy. They reside in lemmy.ml, but we are not talking about them just being "developers" of lemmy.ml, they are developers of the entire federation software that is lemmy.

So OP isn't conflating anything.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Why?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The community was "meanwhileongrad"? Lemme guess, yet another community created solely to shit on another instance for being "tankie"? Yeah, I don't mind removing such stupid communities (including this tankiejerk community). It seems like your only purpose is hatred toward other users of the fediverse. Not exactly a positive space.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

MeanwhileOnGrad exists to catalogue and document hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Extremism that glorifies violence and bigotry should always be condemned.

Nor do your arguments about making the fediverse a positive space even apply when the primary sources of such virulent hatred comes from self-defederated instances which do not interact with the rest of the fediverse.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What's the point of this cataloguing and documenting? All you're doing is boosting bad posts and using them to paint entire communities with a broad stroke. If they've self-defederated, then maybe you should take that as a clue to leave them alone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The point is to show that these instances are hateful bigots. You can't even make the painting whole community argument when it's federated anyway, if they weren't all bigots, they would federate and encourage some diversity.

I trust you make the "leave them alone" argument over on their communities as well? Because I assure you that anti-tankie communities popped up in response to the harassment and hate-speech.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Instances may federate or defederate for a wide range of reasons. That they chose to defederate doesn't automatically make them bigots. Why would I go to their communities just to get in an argument? I'm starting to think you went over there to start some shit and then you got mad because they bashed you for it. I've been told "just go over there and look at the horrors" only to go and not see the horrors that are claimed to be there. Cherry picking bad posts doesn't prove anything as the vast majority of posts are not like that, and I know this because I've gone and checked multiple times now.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They chose to defederate because people kept dissenting against their abhorrent hate-speech.

No one is allowed in their community anyway, to post, you need to pass a vetting process.

I’ve been told “just go over there and look at the horrors” only to go and not see the horrors that are claimed to be there. Cherry picking bad posts doesn’t prove anything as the vast majority of posts are not like that, and I know this because I’ve gone and checked multiple times now.

That's why this community and MeanwhileOnGrad exist, to highlight the extremism and bigotry. Nor is it cherry-picking when it's posted by the admins and prominent users of the instance.