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Yes, I know that it still exist, and yes, decentralized currency which utilizes distributed, cryptographic validation is not actually a strictly bad idea, but...

Is the speculative investment scam, which crypto substantially represented, finally dead? Can we go back to buying gold bars and Pokemon cards?

I feel like it is, but I'm having a hard time putting my finger on why it lost its sheen. Maybe crypto scammers moved on to selling LLM "prompts?" Maybe the rug just got pulled enough times that everyone lost trust.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I don't think it is dead, but the hype certainly seems to be over. It is important to realize that as long as the crypto value trend is strongly linked to value of other commodities, it is still being treated as an investment, rather than a currency. Increasing the places where crypto can be actually used to pay will allow for unlinking crypto from being an investment to a currency. I guess there most people are currently not interested in that as much, which I think is unfortunate.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

No, it'll never go away, fortunately or unfortunately depending on your perspective.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I'm having a hard time putting my finger on why it lost its sheen

Oh I don't know maybe it has something to do with Sam Bankman-Fried swindling $8 billion.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I use crypto for its real intention, as money. I buy my groceries with crypto and pay most of my bills in crypto on a monthly basis. Crypto itself is not a problem. Its the FTX's and Mt Gox's of the world trying to graft old banking norms onto crypto that is the majority of the problem. "not your keys, not your coins." Exchanges are like gas station bathrooms, you go in, do your business, and get the heck out. You dont just hang around.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your bank being named "Magic the gathering online exchange" really should have been a red flag..

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Right! I practice what i preach. I put fiat in an exchange, wait a few days for it to clear, biy crypto, and take the crypto off the exchange into a wallet i fully control

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Crypto scams burnt up all their market, i.e. pretty much everyone who want going to get into the crypto bubble, did. You can tell because crypto went mainstream, buying stadiums and advertising through Matt Damon.

So when the bubble burst that time, there's no one left to start a new bubble with.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

Maybe crypto scammers moved on to selling LLM “prompts?”

The A.I. "Grift Shift" is Underway

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Cryptography? Not it's not, any more than math is dead.

Cryptocurrency? I don't know.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

@[email protected] It's called a bear market. Every 3-4 years, it's the same thing. Patience...​:blobcatthinksmart:​

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Crypto is dead, long live bitcoin.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Bitcoin is still around 30k a pop, so I wouldn't say it's dead yet. But I foresee a big crash in the months or years to come: the hype has passed, and the real uses of crypto are very few. It's also not a good investment since the expected returns are 0. Once people finally realize that, I see the price falling to 1k or even less.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

You know that this was being said multiple times in the last 10 years?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

it should be

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

It's definitely not dead. Market cycles come and go. It's just a matter of time until the next round.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

Most existing cryptocurrencies have no inherent value, they might make sense as a currency, but having a cell in a distributed spreadsheet assigned shouldn't be considered a growth investment and it's absurd how many treated it that way. The only way that sort of thing works is with an endless supply of greater fools, and evidently they ran out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Not dead, just sleeping. It's a tougher, higher interest-rate market which cuts out a lot of the gambling behavior. I remain invested but my principle has shifted away from the financial and trad-economic terms to this:

Blockchains are valuable where they secure valuable information. Therefore, if a blockchain adds more valuable information, it becomes more valuable.

And that's it. You don't have to introduce markets and trading to make the point, but it positions those elements in a supporting role, and gets at one of the most pressing issues of today: where should our sources of truth online start? Blockchains can't solve the problems of false sensation, reasoning or belief, but they fill in certain technical gaps where we currently rely on handing over custody to someone's database and hoping nothing happens or they're too big to fail. It's just a matter of aligning the applications towards the role of public good, and the air is clear for that right now.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Ok, I'm starting a new cryptocurrency, then, it's a Google Sheets page.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

as long as there are suckers out there, crypto will live.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (12 children)

No. Bitcoin is the future of money. It really is the best form of money humanity has invented so far. People just need to stop trading shit coins.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Do you use Bitcoin in real life?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Do you use any gold in real life to pay for stuff?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I used to work at a liquor store and we had one regular customer who paid with a bitcoin card. This was around 2015 or so. It was funny because he said it was because of "anonymity" but everyone knew him as "the guy who pays with bitcoin."

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

This is good for Bitcoin.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

not really. the stupid stuff, like nfts are dying, but the rest is still the same.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

In the US each time crypto is traded it needs to be reported.

I got free crypto from Coinbase. Then sent it to a wallet, then sold it. So each transaction needed to be reported. It’s too troublesome to be worth it.

Also, if I buy crypto, they have a week hold before I can move it. My idea was to buy crypto in country A and sell it in country B to quickly transfer money between the two countries I live in. Also it would help me beat the bank fees.

But the 7 day hold kinda defeats the purpose of quickly transferring money.

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