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Russia attacks Ukraine as Putin vows to ‘demilitarise’ neighbour | The Guardian (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 3 years ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (3 children)

I don't understand what the endgame is supposed to be here. In order to achieve its stated goals (demilitarization, denazification, catching their list of enemies), Russia needs to occupy (which they said they won't, which makes no sense). There's no way Ukraine's govt can agree to or implement these demands.

So Russia will in fact need to occupy Ukraine and install a puppet govt. But how the are they ever going to get out of there ever again? That new government will get removed as soon as they leave.

So long term occupation it has to be, which will be a total disaster and that's on top of the sanctions. Russia just fucked itself, no? How does any of this make sense?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

It seems like a rolling advertisement to join NATO. "Got a kleptomaniac neighbor with a penchant for invasion? Call 1-800-GET-NATO today!" Internal tension in Russia must be pretty high in order to justify this cluster.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

It is not Russia's interest to occupy Ukraine, imo. Ukraine is a massive country with tens of millions of people, many of which do not want this invasion. Russia's best interest is to pressure Ukraine to surrender and fulfill their demands. The more territory and important places Russia takes, the more pressure that puts on Ukraine. Occupation is the worst case scenario, but I hope it won't come to that.

Installing a puppet government isn't the only solution. I think Russia's best chance is to weaken Ukraine's army and its military infrastructure, and then enforce a federalist rule in Ukraine. This will give more power to the pro-Russian parts of Ukraine, and make it more difficult for Ukraine to be one big United country against Russia.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

By rolling the military in

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Any moment now we will get people jumping in the comments section saying this: buT It's jUsTiafied BecUAse NatO

If you are defending invasions like this you are just a propagandist

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

While we shouldn't support a Russian war on Ukraine, we should also oppose Ukraine's war on Donbass and NATO expansionism. If you only have problem with one of those, that would be hypocritical.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Yeah, and who attacked Luhansk first? Also, https://twitter.com/ReutersGMF/status/1496718865560076288

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Wtf, are you serious?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago

Ukraine has waged war on Luhansk for years despite the Minsk protocol where they recognized the autonomy of Luhansk

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 years ago

Serious about?