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Mildly Infuriating

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It's not even "Incognito" (what a misnomer too), this is a Gecko-based browser

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I feel like for straw poll it's more valid, they probably do it to try and avoid people voting more than once.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

"One vote per IP-address" - So they already tackled the problem that people can vote more then once.

Straight-up asshole design.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Exactly what I think. They also block VPNs and such.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

That's also asshole design. Most people are behind some form of nat. It's especially egregious for customers of ISPs who use CGNAT.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (11 children)

I mean, of all sites, polls make the most sense to require cookies to avoid duplicate votes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wouldn't the better solution be to keep a log of previous client IPs, on the server side? Sure, VPN will circumvent it, but it's much easier for me to clear a cookie 100 times then to connect to 100 different VPNs.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

The EU has made logging IP addresses generally illegal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

IP blocking would be really bad if the poll is for students staying in dorms at a university or for people on the same cell carrier.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That's when I stop giving them traffic. There's far too many alternatives to do otherwise.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Enter.

"NOPE"

clicks back

And proceed to chose next search result.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cookies are not evil per se... but data mining companies made them like that.

I'm administrating an online store and cookies are responsible for the customer's cart, plus their user session / logged in state.

As an admin I adhere to the "golden rule", thus there are no creepy trackers on store. I don't like them and I don't want customers to face the same thing on websites that I manage.

That said, cookies are needed for user session & fraud protection. Instead of nuking cookies we shall kick the trackers out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Yea but all that kind of functionality can work with (permanent) private mode as well. I don't use a lot of web services so I can log in when I need or make a pwa like with Lemmy here.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (7 children)

It's not pointless, it's so they can track you.

what a misnomer too

It's crazy how many people think "incognito mode" prevents people from seeing what websites they are visiting.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I'll look into that. I believe web sites shouldn't have any way to detect private mode, right?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Any websites that doesn't just work with a simple ad blocker or still has ads I just close and never return.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (3 children)

"Oops! Looks like you're using an adblocker! Please pay a subscription!"

Oops looks like I'm gonna check the comments for someone who pasted your article for free!

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It kind of makes sense for strawpoll, because without some sort of cookies, they wouldn't know if the same person is voting multiple times. But they should say something like 'incognito mode makes the votes inaccurate, please visit on normal mode'

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

One vote per IP-Address allowed.

They already have your IP. "Incognito" mode doesn't change that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

That does have the consequence of allowing only one person to vote per public IP, which on large networks may correspond to quite a lot of users.

That probably doesn't matter much for a simple internet straw poll, but I can imagine situations where IP-based uniqueness isn't reliable enough.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I kind of understand this one though, 99% of the time stuff like this is just bullshit. But this is an effort to stop users from voting multiple times.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

When I go to a site, and they do it, I avoid it at all the costs or never come back!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's an extension that allows you to hide incognito mode from websites called Hide Private Mode I'm not sure why browsers don't do this by default (maybe it's some funny compliance thing) it would greatly improve privacy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Thx. It's weird, but I guess that's now part of Firefox now, to be hypocrites.

Also why the heck does the browser need to ping Google every time I launch a private session? I can't even fathom a reasonable answer.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Is that Firefox Focus? Because if yes, them that counts as "incognito mode" too.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

For such things, I have a script that creates a brand new temporary Firefox profile and deletes it immediately after closing the browser.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I see that i directly close the thing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Honestly people should just set there browser to clear cookies on close

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Can't say I like logging into all of my accounts (most of which gave 2FA as well) 3 times a day

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It would be nice if you could whitelist sites for cookies. That way you can stay logged into things like email.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Use the extension/add-on "cookie auto-delete" https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/cookie-autodelete/

It's magic!

And "I don't care about cookies" https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/i-dont-care-about-cookies/

This clears those annoying GPDR things.

These two add-ons will change your life.

They are available for all the browsers, not just Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

You 100% can. That's exactly how I have mine set up. It clears cookies on exit but then I manage a whitelist.

Here are the Chrome instructions. Firefox is more or less the same.

https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95647?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform=Desktop#zippy=%2Callow-or-block-cookies-for-a-specific-site

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

I agree mildly infuriating "pointless cookies" really - they make their money from advertising and tracking data, so they've made a choice.

Interestingly, a choice that I'm pretty sure would fall foul of GDPR in Europe - but a choice.

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