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On the anniversary of the Dobbs decision, 53% say abortion access nationwide has become too difficult, a new NBC News poll finds.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 years ago

Physician here. There are too many possible issues with pregnancy, social situations, etc. to ever effectively be able to navigate that decision tree via legislation. It is barbaric to force women through a non-viable pregnancy. It is barbaric to withhold medical care from a woman whose life is threatened by her pregnancy. It is barbaric to force women into a devastating social situation.

Society will never agree on where the line should be placed or what is morally correct. The decision needs to be in the hands of the mother and their medical team.

Finally, for those who believe in "natural consequences". No birth control is 100% effective. Not all sex is consensual. Non-viable pregnancies happen regardless of how careful you are. Bad outcomes aren't always the result of bad choices.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

It wasn't a good thing that this was overturned. but the protection for abortions should never have been based entirely on a ruling of the supreme court, When, and I really hope it's when, they get an opportunity to next make abortion protected federally it must be codified that way something like this doesn't happen again. As is the Supreme Court has two much power and influence for a group of 9 lifetime appointees.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

And it is too easy for republicans - by hook and by shameless cynical crook - to ram their corrupt zealots into SCOTUS, squatting for an entire lifetime, whoring themselves to the highest right-wing corporate and church bidders.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

Completely agreed, but something that needs to be noted - because I see people who have clearly been misled about this all the time - is that there has never been a majority in Congress that would pass law codifying abortion rights. Even during the brief Democratic supermajority in 2009, there were several pro-life Democrats that wouldn't have supported it. Public opinion is moving in the right direction, especially now, and conservative Democrats are essentially archaic relics nowadays, but it's still an uphill battle, though I am cautiously optimistic in the long-term.

I see people often say that the Democrats have never really cared about abortion, and that if they did they'd have gotten it done in 2009. This simply is not the case.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

The idea that everything ever must be explicitly specified in the constitution overrides decades (maybe centuries) of legal precedent. That idea only popped up when a weaponized supreme court showed up to do what they were put in their position to do, aka violate everything the supreme court is intended to do

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It's wild how many Americans seem to think the Supreme Justices are legislators.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (6 children)

True. Roe should've never happened, it needs to be decided by the states.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Roe should've never happened, it needs to be decided by the states.

Do you feel the same way about slavery?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Nah, unrelated issues, stop conflating.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Nah, [slavery and abortion bans are] unrelated issues, stop conflating.

They are related in that both legalized slavery and abortion bans are examples of regional legislative causes of needless human suffering. Furthermore, it's many of the same states doing it. How much suffering should we allow states to inflict on their residents before the Federal government intervenes? What's your metric here?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

If we don’t pass laws at the federal level, the southern states would still have slavery. These types of federal decisions push the entire nation forward. Leaving it to states is a cop out.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fuck the states. My state would not have let me marry my wife if the federal government didn't force them to. My brother is gay, he'd be doing hard labor in prison for that if my state had its way.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Centralized power is a bad thing. You will understand this when a group takes over that you are not aligned with.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I mean, states rights led to the civil war, right? All those men's lives they threw away, for the right to rob others men of their freedom and dignity. Good riddance

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

I agree. That's the whole premise of federation. It's the whole premise of the US.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

How about states and the fed just keep their fucking noses out of my sisters vagina?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Then 61% of the 61% also insists that bOtH pArTiEs ArE tHe SaMe LoL aMiRiTe and neglects (for the nth time) to vote. Sitting on their intellectually lazy asses at home, fondling their so-called purity, then lovingly sniffing their fingers.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago

I’m curious on the age groups that disapprove I would have to imagine that of course younger people don’t like it but what about the other age groups?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

If you are in favor of abortion or opposed, I think it is time to recognize that the Roe ruling wasn't written to last the test of time. They punted on the question of when human life and human rights begin and said, lacking any understanding of that question, the issue becomes a privacy issue. At some point society is going to have to deal with the question of the genesis of human life and human rights and what to do when there's a conflict. I would have thought the result was going to be drawing the line somewhere and then creating some sort of due process when an abortion is requested after that drawn line. Instead, we have what's also not a well-written tossing of Roe that punts the question to the states instead. I strongly believe that the issue will be revisited in the courts in our lifetime.

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