The next two weeks, to a month... is going to be a VERY INTERESTING time for reddit.
Knock on wood, lemmy is going strong, and I have been enjoying the content, and conversations here much better than I have been on reddit.
this post was submitted on 24 Jun 2023
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Sadly Reddit is back to it's normal numbers and the subs are being activated again, so nothing will change for the better
Reddit lost some of it's most committed users, though. It's also solidly not 'cool', not that it was ever cool-cool, I mean that it's reputation has been harmed among their target market.
I wonder if Reddit will ever launch/acquire-and-rebrand a spin-off, like how Instagram is where younger people went to get away from Facebook.
It seems likely since they already have or will end up with executives or shareholders in pretty much the same group as other SV tech companies. It seems like reddit has fair potential for growth ahead of it though, while Zuckerberg copies or purchases other apps in light of Facebook's old core product and users essentially dying out, and the unpopularity of facebook with younger people.
Personally I think things have changed for the better, I’ve been waiting for a Reddit alternative for years and only found kbin through the blackout. Seems we’ve got sustainable numbers and a decent community.
A small win but still a win.
I would rather have less content and a better user base, personally. As long as there is continual modest growth and sustainability.
What they do there can stay there, imo.
I think it is very plausible that the numbers only appear to be back to normal. I agree probably nothing will change but at the very least I am not using reddit any more - and I feel like I have seen a similar sentiment from other users of Lemmy/kbin.
Yeah, I think at this point, regardless of what happens on Reddit, Lemmy/KBin seem to have a decently active base and speaking only for myself, I'm not planning on even lurking on Reddit ... the most I'll do is hit a link that I find on Google or that gets linked elsewhere.
For me, there is plenty of new content popping up in the Fediverse to keep me interested, I'd just like too see more people commenting. Then, I realize I need to be the change I want to see, so am attempting to become more active than I was on Reddit and actively engage in more conversations (ex: this post :-D ).
Lemmy/kbin has what 220k to reddits 800m
In all fairness- I kind of want a bunch of the reddit users... to STAY on reddit, away from lemmy.
The conversation quality recently on reddit has went WAAAY down.
And the conversation quality in the fediverse is fantastic!
That isn't the way the Internet works. If the 220k lemmy users were the most active out of the 800m, then reddit is basically dead.
How much of that growth happened over the last few weeks vs it’s lifetime though compared to Reddit?
Before the current Reddit fiasco the top Lemmy instance had at most hundreds of active users. A few dozen thousands of total users network wide.
I first heard of Lemmy (and made my lemmy.ml account) about three years ago.
Is it really that high? That's pretty impressive for what has it been, 2 weeks?
I know a lot of people have said this, but I'm thinking once the 3rd party apps go dark we might get another spike here
Lemmy/kbin is over 1m now. Growing at about 200-300k per day over the last week or so.
The 1m+ figure is mostly bots flooding open instances though, real figures are probably closer to 200-300k
True, but reddit's portion of bots is also massive. Anecdotally I saw bots constantly in reddit's comments. I have yet to see one in the fediverse so far.
Wait and see what happens when the third party apps don't work. Sure some will install the crappy official app being forced upon them but the cool kids will be looking for the next big thing.
Here's to hoping all the narcissistic types who lash out at anything that even slightly inconveniences them (cough Reddit protests cough) stay there.
I'm curious about the normal numbers thing. I left the website (I needed to anyway, was obsessively checking it in my free time) and I figure there must be at least a few like me. So if that's true, how could it be back to original numbers after such a fiasco?
Most users don't know a fiasco happened, or care, really. You gotta remember your average user doesn't comment at all and really just scrolls while upvoting posts every once in a while. Their engagement is far more casual.
It might be back to normal numbers, but that's until the API charges kick in and apps like Infinity stop working or start not to be fre?
It’s not even normal numbers, if you look at ads traffic (the real money maker) that one remains down from before the protest.
I just wish everyone would quit trying to turn this into Reddit. We left Reddit because we don't like what it is/is becoming. Let's not rush to make this an identical copy, ya know?
We’ve got a populated Lemmy now.
Here’s a question. Who’s monitoring Reddit’s traffic and activity other than Reddit? What incentive do they have to be honest about those numbers?
Seriously, I know for a fact it's not true. They are at least short my traffic. Checkmate atheists.
Lemmy is capturing some of the early energy that Reddit once had. It’s cool.
I had heard of lemmy but not checked it out until this debacle made it clear that jettisoning reddit was the right move. It's been a lot of fun so far. It reminds me of the earlier days of the internet, which is a breath of fresh air.
The culture on reddit has been clicheed for a long time now. At least people stopped saying 'the narwhal bacons at midnight', and 'and my axe' is only ironic now, but the pun threads, the Ouija chains, the silly automods and bots - I had enough of that. Also it's absurd to try to comment on a post that has 6,500 or whatever replies already.
What would make me hard quit a thread was when somebody would comment a quote from a show that was actually relevant & funny to the topic at hand, but then it would create an endless chain of reply comments of completely irrelevant quotes from the same show. Like, ok we get it, you got the joke, please stop.
True and im gonna be happily settling in on here watching the drama.
Splez is obviously incredibly incompetent - "New Reddit" is been a complete disaster technically and design-wise. It's also amazing how they have a top 20 website worldwide and haven't figured out how to make a profit from it, while meanwhile companies like facebook make money like they're printing it.
Extra credit for being angry at your most loyal fans for 'using your platform for free'
People make fun of me when I tell them I am still mad about when ElementaryOS pulled the exact same thing. But I am, I'll never use their product because the people who make it revealed who they truly are. I took note of them and will never use anything they are ever involved with. Now spez is on that list, too.
Wait, what happened with ElementaryOS?
Ah, thanks!
Seriously, all they had to do was let users rebel by making weird content. People love rebelling and making weird ass content. Most of them would have stuck around just for that.
Well, Facebook makes money hand-over-fist by exploiting user data and creating a Panopticon-style advertising machine.
I don't think reddit is ethically above that though, just not very good at figuring out how to do it.
They can't even spell ethics at reddit.
Sure I mean yeah fuck Reddit, but blur out the company name in this and it applies to 8/10 tech companies lol
The precise outline of the dysfunction varies a little bit, even within a particular BigCo. Usually it boils down to managers who don't know how people work, and middle-to-upper management living in a reality of their own invention.
Rumor has it that Huffman is designing deep sea subs now.
If only his dreams of a successful IPO would implode the way that sub did...
Maybe they could run a convoy of vehicles to Steve’s home and threaten him with destruction if there is no leadership change and see how that goes.
Joined blind just to follow on this. Sounds like too many managers, not enough leaders