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Because they didn’t have their own Tom Brady in their roster, imo.

Because they try to be BB instead of trying to carve their own path. The hard nosed, strict stuff doesn’t work anymore, unless you have pedigree.

Imperfect is a nice way of putting it

his style is antiquated and Brady made him

Most likely because they try to set the same standards Bill does while not having the respect Bill has, and obviously having Brady for a long time also helps.

Honestly asking this...What defensive coach has produced any kind of coaching tree. Belichick and Tomlin sure haven't.

Because Brady

BoB and Flores are actually quite solid. I think flores should stay at DC like LeBeau. BoB just was such a shit gm he hurt his chamces as a HC, hes still a very good OC at the least

Ima go with maybe an out the box take here. BB knows how to talk with people. Whether it’s young black dudes or older white guys everyone in the middle does not matter he can connect with people. Maybe it’s something he’s learned or it’s innate. However he can be a dick of a coach cause as a person he can be funny,relatable and decent.

His protégés completely fail at this. They try to be Belichick the coach whose a dick all the time and this why their players tend to hate them. They can’t connect with their guys

None of them had Tom Brady. And he no longer does as well -- and has teams that look like his coaching tree teams.

Tom Brady

He has purposefully trained them wrong, as a joke.

Tom Brady

Bill knows how to do team-specific gameplans and his assistants never figured that out.

Because they only take the hardass stuff and forget everything else. Bill changes his scheme to fit his talent, he's not trying to force anybody into a role they aren't suited for, or shit on them for not fitting his scheme, stuff like that. He's a flexible hardass when it comes to coaching.

Not to mention they forget the human element. Yes, Bill is a hardass, but you don't get players being willing to run through a brick wall for you just because of that. He's like a grumpy old grandfather. The one who's gonna bitch and moan, but helps you out with stuff as a kid. Meanwhile, Patricia and McDaniels (probably the most notable examples) are just pricks. They don't respect their guys. Belichick does.

Lacks the fertilizer named Tom Brady

Because he and his merry band of fat fucks are shite coaches who’s inability to manage games was hidden by Tom Brady.

I don't think there is one reason or one flaw that all caused all these guys to fail/wash out as HCs. I think Belichick has a system that works and teams want to copy it but when they hire these coaches they want to run their own system with their own ideas, and they just haven't been successful. I don't like Belichick at all but I don't think it reflects poorly on him.

Bill had Tom Brady for 20 years. Without him his track record is on par with the rest of his coaching tree

Has he been that good since he can’t cheat?

I will forever be on the boat that Brady made Belichick, not the other way around.

Because his assistants attempt to recreate his style with other teams but without the credibility of 6 rings to back it up.

Cause it was Brady all along. There, I said it.

Because there’s only one Tom Brady. Mmmk

Isn't everyone bored of this yet? lol

He strikes me as a guy who explains to his employees how to do their job, and nothing more.

Just find another Tom Brady.

/s

Because Tom Brady can only play for 1 team at a time

BoB, Crennel and Flores weren’t bad coaches, but were in bad situations/self-sabotaged.

I’m starting to think you need that Brady seed

The most interesting nugget is how "Do Your Job" bleeds into this. Not only is it a mantra for you to do the job you're assigned, it also says for you to NOT do any jobs you are not assigned. Basically, Bill keeps all of the actual HoF HC stuff to himself. Not because he's trying to be secretive but because he doesn't want anyone else wasting their time.

Short answer - Belichick is overrated. Brady made him not the other way around. Really easy to lean into a "just do your job" mantra with the best player of all time running the show. The 00s rhetoric of Old Billy being a GM/HC genius has not aged well.

He is the most overrated coach in football history. Lightning struck with Tom Brady and he rode that to legendary status.

Because bill was carried by Tom for the last 20 years.

You can be an asshole as long as you're winning. When you stop winning, you're just an asshole.

Belichick is, famously, an asshole. But, he also has six Super Bowl rings and is a no-brainer Hall of Famer. However, he also lucked into maybe the greatest quarterback ever for literally every one of those SBs. Consequently, it's not surprising he can't replicate the same level of success post-Brady.

You look at guys like McDaniels, Patricia, BOB, etc. and it becomes obvious why his coaching tree is gnarly. Those guys are trying to impersonate Belichick without Belichick's track record of success, or the tools that built that track record.

If I were an owner looking to hire a coach, the last guy I would hire would be one from Belichick's coaching tree. It's not that his guys are bad coaches. I mean, they are, but there are plenty of bad coaches out there. It's that they're universally assholes.

Cause Tom Brady made them

The youtube channel Set the Edge had a great video on this question

The only thing I might add to the discussion in defense of Hoodie disciples is that teams can be awfully quick to fire a Belichick disciple if he doesn’t start winning relatively quickly like Belichick did in New England.

That desire to fire Belichick disciples frequently glosses over the fact that BB had a hand in building the team with Parcells that he inherited from Pete Carroll. The successful team that BB likely built in Cleveland before it left for Baltimore seems to suggest that NFL teams might benefit from being patient with some of BB’s disciples

BB coaching style was only successful bc he had a HOF qb who super driven and willing to be coached like that from the jump, since he was a late round pick with no hype. His coaches leave and try to be a the mean dick Bill is, but there’s no culture of this already and they don’t have the history of success where ppl are going to buy into this method. Patriot way works only for the Patriots bc of what Bill and Brady did. It’s failing now in NE not so much of the coaching style, but bc Bill is a lousy GM

We all know now Bill was riding on Tom's coattail!

I mean it’s pretty simple really. None of BBs coordinators took Tom with them.

It seems the issue the article is trying to highlight is that BB’s assistants are too micromanaged to learn how to be a good coach because BB lives and breathes football (Why Tom Brady thrived in the patriots?). BB may just be that good and can be the only person who’s had success with this style of coaching. Also why would he change if having a coaching tree is more something to worry about legacy wise than game to game or season to season? Just get the guys who you’ll know will do their job and win games.

He never shares the secrets to taping a team practice or sign stealing.

they get hired by people who have spent their whole lives just covering their own ass. "don't blame me, he worked with BB." they don't look at the details when they can just drag that old line out. it's just the same old bullshit corporate mentality

Brady was his maker. Nothing more nothing less

Bill has a rare combination of bottomless football knowledge (defensively, at least) and a personality that is actually endearing to most players.

Pretty much all of Bill’s underlings have been uninspiring personalities without Bill’s depth of knowledge.

Imperfect makes it sound like any of them were somewhat good to begin with…

To make an analogy: I manage an IT team - do I pick devs that would make good IT managers, or devs that make good devs?

Bill doesn't hire on head coaching ability. I'm sure he's made a few of them look better than they are at their respective jobs, too.

Its rotten fruit. People pay extra for imperfect fruit.

part of what makes him great is a lifetime dedicated to football. he cant teach a lifetime of reviewing tape and 50+ years of knowledge to the young guys.

When the root of the tree looks suspect itself without the GOAT at QB, it only makes sense that the branches of the tree are mostly frauds. Patricia and McDaniels in particular were just assholes who didn’t know how to work with others.