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Because he’s overrated and was blessed with Tom Brady

Pre-Brady Bucs - Brady Bucs - post Brady Bucs

Combined with pre-Brady Belichek - Brady belichek - post Brady belichek

Combined with proof of bad drafting, and horrible legacy coaches proves this

As more time passes from Brady's departure from the Patriots, it sure seems like he was a much, MUCH bigger factor in the success of the Patriots 00's and 10's run then many people thought initially (myself included)

Because bellicheck rode brady

Everyone here keeps parroting “lack of Brady” but if you think Joe Judge would’ve been a winning head coach if he had Brady you are an utter moron

Because of brady

Wins command respect and BB runs a tight ship. How did BB get those wins and respect? Tom Brady. What do the BB coaching tree staff not have? Tom Brady.

Because they didn’t get Tom Brady as part of their severance

Maybe because Belichick was never that good either and was a Brady merchant?

Because you don’t have Tom Brady.

They didn’t take Tom Brady with them.

Because his protégés didn’t have Tom Brady playing QB?

Because he’s a beneficiary of Tom Brady, evidenced by his coaching incompetence without Tom

The whole was it Brady or Belichick thing makes my head spin, honestly. I went from calling TB a game manager to saying it was all him to kind of just not knowing what was what anymore. The nfl in a nutshell, I suppose.

The best football coach to come out of the Belichick tree isn't even a pro coach either. It's Nick Saban by a mile.

No Brady obviously

They don't have Tommy Brady.

Turns out being an asshole coattail rider isn't conducive to being a head coach

Because of Brady

None had Brady. ez

No Tom Brady.

Although you’d think a defensive coordinator would be decent working under BB.

Why does everybody off his coaching tree have awful interpersonal skills? They beef with players,media,and front offices.

They weren't allowed to take Tom Brady with them.

At this point his system doesn’t work unless you have the reputation of Belichick. Hes likely not ever going to have a chance to show if he can do it with a good QB (and not GOAT) because he’ll be retired before he gets one.

Because they don’t have Tom Brady.

Because he isn't a good coach, a good teacher, or a good leader.

They're more focused on trying to emulate Bill and the Patriot Way without fundamentally understanding their players and the situations they're coming into.

You don't build a culture by ripping from what you came from and injecting it. You examine your environment, identify those key concepts and beliefs that are core to your group, and pull from your past experiences to build something greater.

That's easier said than done, but it seems like a lot of coaches that fail don't ever do that and just want to mimic what they come from.

Because every Bellichick disciple tries to be a more hardass, over-the-top version of him without proving jackshit to back it up.

That and being assholes to important members of the team / the team in general.

Because Bill had the greatest quarterback of all time and it made him look like a much better coach than he actually is.

Because none of the other coaches had the most important part of Bellichick's model - Tom Brady.

I’d assume he doesn’t mentor these guys. He just tells them to focus on their job and leave him the F alone. Big difference between coordinator and coach, also. Mcdaniels is a terrible coach but good coordinator. There’s half a dozen of these genius’ out there who can’t control/coach an entire team.

Because Bill has decades of experience and they don’t. Not everyone who knows a lot can teach well. His understudies try to create an incomplete facsimile of his approach — the hardassed personality or old Pats retreads in the roster — which doesn’t work. You don’t go with a guy who’s 1% Bill or 40% Bill. Either it’s Bill or something completely different.

Tom Brady didn’t go with them

All of the ego. None of the success or history. They aren't Bill in any way, shape, or form. Yet they seem to come into these teams that hire them and expect to be able to run it like Bill. They fail to realize that the players put up with Bill because he's got a proven history of success, and the rings to show for it. McDaniels, Patricia, O'Brien.. don't.

Because most of them were stuck with poorly run franchises.

Crennel: Cleveland

Mangini: Jets, then Cleveland

Patricia: Detroit

Judge: Giants (Dave Gettleman era)

McDaniels: C'mon, He went 8-8 with Kyle Orton as his starting QB. The Raiders have been a clusterfuck for pretty much 20 years now

Daboll is TBC

Flores has essentially been blackballed from the league, but he did pretty well in Miami

O'Brien's problem wasn't a bad coach, he was a bad GM, just like his mentor

Because it was all Tom Brady

1. It's not like these come out of Bill Belichick's vagina as a clone of him. They're individual people each with their own set of experiences, opinions, and brains.

2. I suppose teams are biased into thinking coordinators for a dynasty must also be likely to be good head coaches, so these Pats assistant coaches end up getting offers they don't have the skill set to handle.

pats fans are this miserable?

dam.

Not just Brady but they didn’t have Ernie Adams. Having a savant as you best friend doing football research for you is quite helpful. Bill hasn’t been the same since Ernie retired

Bill is not a very good head coach, and is not able to teach others how to do it. Bill got very lucky to find Tom Brady, and had great success with him. But both before and after Brady, it becomes clear that Tom was why they won those games much more than Bill.

Because all time greats are excellent at obscuring flaws within a system. Bill is one of the best we've ever seen at coaching defenses so the DC cannot be gauged objectively and Brady similarly cloaked offensive ineptitude for years.

Not all that surprising that an organization that was effectively a two person brain trust has failed to bear successful fruit.

It's like the Garden of Eden, except you really DON'T want to eat the fruit

Cause they don’t take Tom Brady with them.

Brady tax I’m afraid

Because there is no Tom Brady tree

Belichik was really, really good at finding guys that are football smart even though they aren't great leaders. Belichik is a great football mind, but his best talent might be managing talent.

When the root of the tree looks suspect itself without the GOAT at QB, it only makes sense that the branches of the tree are mostly frauds. Patricia and McDaniels in particular were just assholes who didn’t know how to work with others.