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[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Learning about religion in school isn't necessarily a bad thing. We studied the major religions, Buddhism, pantheism, and to a lesser degree minor religions as a part of social studies in 7th grade. I think it was the first time anyone actually told me there were 'options' other than Christianity. More importantly, it helped me understand where others are coming from even though I don't share their faith. If it's approached from a purely educational standpoint I think religion does have a place in school - and I'm an atheist. We just shouldn't be presenting any of it as fact or "right" when it's all a matter of opinion, nor teaching them about any one specific religion and excluding others.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

...But that's not what Christian nationalists are working towards. They want to teach their religion, not teach about all religion.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

Exactly basically what the poster above is talking about is the ideals of faith

MAGATS want to teach religion / organized religion

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Well, that's how interests work. Christians pursue their interests and other groups pursue theirs. There is nothing to accuse them of.

Although I believe that God gave man freedom from the beginning, and Christians should adhere to the same principle, free choice.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're purposefully misunderstanding or just moving the goalpost. The top level comment said "We studied the major religions," which is different than the "let us preach to your child in school" portrayed in the OP, yet you conflate them despite their differences and sum it up as "oh well that's just in their interest" as if that absolves them of anything.

Just because it is in their interests does not mean there is nothing to accuse them of, someone advocating to have -their- religion preached in school is not just a fragment of "educate about all religions in school," it is completely different to give a sermon than give a lesson. So yes, the Christians advocating for sermons in school are rightfully accused, because that's not education, that's indoctrination.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sorry, I think I have not understood your first part. I replied to the comment saying that Christian nationalists want to only their religion being studied in school. And as I said it is ok that they are fighting for their interests and not others. Would it be Muslims, atheists or buddhists they also want to only their religion being studied in school, and it is also fine. But not only one group is deciding and influencing on a school program. And they do not make it.

Preaching in school is different because you are insisting a person to do the act of preaching. And my opinion there is no place for such a things in mainstream schools.

And yes, teaching a religion is when you learn the basics like you learning the basics of some philosophy, and reading the Bible like you will reading "War and Peace", not sermon.

Preaching and sermon is acceptable in private schools because parents are decide how they want their children educated.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And as I said it is ok that they are fighting for their interests

No, it's not. When their interests are destructive to free society, it is not okay for them to fight for their interests.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. (Matthew 26:52)

Is this destructive to free society?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You clearly aren't reading my posts, and are just looking for a reason to be upset.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Sorry. 😞

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

Teaching all religions is definitely important. Teaching that christian creationism is just as likely/plausible as evolution is a big problem

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

As a Christian, I couldn't agree more! Let the kid learn about the different religious beliefs! I've been learning about otherreligionns and they are all pretty cool!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

I'm against religion as an organized institution that influences the world on a daily basis, but fuck comparative mythology is cool as hell. Thanks to it we got Morrowind's amazing lore, since it was one of Kirkbride's fields of study in college.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Maybe we should teach religion in schools under two contexts. Historical mythology (Made up stuff from the past people incorrectly believed in) and Current mythology (Made up stuff that people currently incorrectly believe in).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

The question/problemmatic part about current stuff is who decides what counts as "current mythology". Even scientific doctrine is disproven (cause that's the best part about science).

Now, I totally see Historical mythology being a great class.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

I mean, dude comes back from the dead, dude lives in the belly of whale, snakes talk, all animals on earth on a boat........Do we really need laboratories and Phd's to pore over these matters to call them mythology? I think science has more pressing matters to deal with rather than debunk fairytales. No?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Nothing against the meme, but boy do I hate wojacks. They're aesthetically unpleasing and something about them makes them obviously 4chan

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

I like them because they have a consistent style and can represent so many types of people (strawmen)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

For me it's those stupid ass expressions

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It feels quite strange reading this as a Jewish person.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All that’s missing is the “You are here” pointer at the second to last step.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 years ago

Lol. Ty now I understand. 😆

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] jerkface 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

This post is arguing that we should not allow people to fucking quote: "freely worship their god" to prevent being sent to an internment camp, and you incels are eating it up.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 years ago (4 children)

how does this have anything to do with incels?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)
[–] jerkface 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Is it? I mean it clearly references it, but unless I'm not getting something, that's a hateful meme slurring transgenderism, and this is a hateful meme slurring religion. If either of them are intended ironically, they're cutting pretty damn close to the Poe line. I'm not seeing any parody.

[–] Smk 11 points 2 years ago (6 children)

As far as I'm concerned, it's pretty funny! I understand some people may take this seriously and that's sad.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago

Yeah, it's ridiculous. American politicians literally swear on the bible as they assume office and then quote bible verses on the job and then they expect us to believe we're anywhere other than at that second from last step?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

When step 2 intersects with capitalism, all the other stuff just naturally follows. Sure there are people who legitimately want to help people (read an article about 2 Christians giving up their high paying jobs to spend their time making affordable housing for the poor and indigenous people) but they're increasingly becoming the minority.

That said, money based religions are only one oppressive group that bands together for profit and control. Religions aren't much different than political parties (hence the smashup between many) and corporations, organized crime, etc.

Human nature, rather than being inherently good, tends to be inherently bad. Hence why most giant groups tend to be oppressive by nature. It's why I believe that there shouldn't be giant concentrations of wealth and power.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 years ago

Cringe comment tbh. Religion is a net neutral institution. It can be nudged in any direction. Majority atheist states are not less oppressive than majority religious states. America does have a uniquely large amount of Christianity-inspired cults tho. I would say this more of an indicator of America's failing/non-existent social systems, rather than an inheritant feature of religion.

Cults, mafias and corrupt monopolies exist primarily, when the state fails at least in one key area. They act as competitors of the state. Competition in science, art and economy is great. In governance, competition means public chaos and oppression. Multi-party democracies are the only exceptions (to some extent).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 years ago

This, but unironically

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I was taught about Islam in social studies, and I don't remember anybody trying to force me to obey Islamic law at any point.

I don't know whether there is a slippery slope, but I do know this isn't an accurate description of it.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Person: here is generally how this thing has gone throughout history

You: my individual experience doesn't match this, therefore you are completely wrong

Come on, dude, read a book.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago

He never said that they were "completely wrong". Just casting doubt/sharing thoughts. Regardless, freedom of/from religion has only gotten better in the west for the last few hundred years. Please don't let a few crazies in the US determine your perspective on an entire religion.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Throughout history, most people didn't go to school at all, let alone get taught about other religions (other than “if anyone claims to believe this, kill them”).

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There are some states passing laws mandating "in god we trust" be placed somewhere prominent in the school. There's an argument to be made that by doing this, the states are mandating that education systems must promote the the idea of the Bible and it's claims being true.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That goes a tad beyond merely teaching kids about religions.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 years ago

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Were you taught in a predominantly Islamic country?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

The United States, so no.

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