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Thank You Everyone For Rejecting The Fascists/Bigots At The Door (lemmy.world)
submitted 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
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After years of reddit/twitter/facebook propping up fascism/bigotry with algorithms & bots I'm honestly surprised and relieved to be in an online space that clearly rejects their ideology.

They can have reddit/facebook/twitter. AFAIC the only way to reach some of these people is to leave them alone long enough to realize on their own.

Lemmy.world admins are doing an amazing job dealing with everything. Their recent decision to defederate from exploding heads (or whatever its called) really goes to show that they're in it for the right reasons. > https://lemmy.world/post/694810?scrollToComments=true

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

What bothers me is that the free speech absolutists demand free speech for themselves, while offering none to anyone else. They have absolutely no problems with "echo chambers" which only echo and reinforce their beliefs... just look at any of the right-wing alternatives to Twitter, like Truth Social. It's literally in the terms of service that you can't challenge or criticize almighty Trump.

Right-wingers have PLENTY of spaces to make their idiotic opinions known... they're not starved for outlets of expression. So why come here? Sorry, but you've already got Germany. You're not annexing Czechoslovakia and Poland. Can't has, not yours.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

What bothers me is that the free speech absolutists demand free speech for themselves, while offering none to anyone else.

This Sartre quote keeps getting posted, but I'll post it again because it's still true:

β€œNever believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert.”

It's an old quote, because the far right haven't fundamentally changed much in a century. It's the same old shit.

You can tell a pigeon that it is wrong, that you are right, you can support your arguments with reputable studies, solid arguments, and respected expert opinion. You will still end up with shit in your hair.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

"Don't wrestle with pigs. You just end up covered in shit and the pig enjoys it."

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

They want to bully people. They're only able to feel better about themselves by making themselves feel superior. This is why when they rely on culture wars because as soon as they don't have an enemy to hold their attention they all turn on each other out of necessity.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The biggest difference I've experienced between the fediverse and Reddit is how infrequently I come across outright bigotry in the comments. I didn't expect that, and I certainly didn't expect that to feel as refreshing as it did. I had gotten to the point where I was just numb to the racism, misogyny, homo/transphobia, etc. Not having to put up with it to nearly the same degree in my first few weeks over here was amazing.

Now that I've (a) seen that a community can exist with a minimum of people calling me slurs, and (b) realized how much those comments were actually affecting me (I'm not so tough after all), I am very aggressive about protecting this space while it's still possible to stem the tide.

I suspect a lot of other Reddit migrants feel something similar. We've been forced to put up with these chuds for years, to the point where we've just started treating them as an inevitable, natural forces, like shitty weather or beach seagulls. Over the last four years, particularly, we've very clearly seen the result of allowing these fuckfaces to take root and grow their communities. Now that we have a chance to make something different, a place where that doesn't happen, we're (pretty collectively) jumping at the chance to actually fight against them. Trying to fight them on Reddit was like trying to fight a snowstorm, or fire ants, or the just the fucking tide. Here? There's a chance.

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