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I am finding it very hard to not make the "work will set you free" joke since until yesterday it was enough in the past to be both a chilling reminder and a bit funny. But now, I am too concentrated on the potential future.

You can not tell them the economy is great when they’re in pain.

This is a big thing in most western nations right now. The "economy" does not mean a healthy middle class, it does not mean higher wages for people, it does not mean affordable heating/food/shelter. I can see people struggling to make ends meet, and nothing pisses them off more then being told the "economy" is great. Basically the wealth inequality at this point has mostly removed the middle class and people being told the economic equivalent of "Git Gud"

Yeah, I would agree if the vote turnout was low. But it was not, it was the second highest since 1932. People came out and voted hard against the status quo, the issue is (and the monkey paw curls) since it is not a democracy in the states but a stupid two party system by doing so they voted (or by not voting) for fascism.

America has ruined the very concept of democracy and long before this election (although this was a colossal fuck up I agree)

The issue is it is a two party system. The Dems ran a safe but weak campaign while people are pissed off at the world. Trump was a colossal ass who is likely to collapse the free world clowning it up at every chance.

This was a referendum on the status quo, and they got a solid no in favor of tearing it all down.

Oh no, be angry. Appeasement never works.

Yes, and if you say that this was a "democracy" then it would be the people's choice (terrible but hey that is how democracy works). But you are saying people killed democracy by not voting for one of two options, something that implies you can have a single option democracy work.

You can't, this is just authoritarianism at this point. People where clearly pissed off at the lack of agency and lashed out (classic fascism move) This was a failure of a two party system and the Democratic party, unless you think people really want fascism in that case go to the start of this comment.

america has no more democracy after this election.

America did not have a democracy going into this election, just a choice of the status quo and fascism. And the people picked fascism, by voting or staying home that choice was made.

Yeah.... not a great idea to blame the very people you needed to stop fascism.

Oh and just a reminder the choice was between:

1. The ruling party
2. Literal fascism

That is not a democracy at that point, just authoritarianism though the threat of worse authoritarianism (in this case fascism).

Yeah, its funny comparing online to real world discussions.

Most people I talked to seemed to never like Harris but all agreed Trump was worse. This tracks, makes sense, and the ones that did not think Trump was worse would vote for him.

Compare that to here where you had every negative thing said about Harris come with some heavy baggage (like .ml accounts) or out right dog piling.

This was a vote between fascism or the continuous existence of democracy. A flawed democracy, sure. One that needs to be reworked. But still better than full on fascism.

My point, once again, is that this is inevitable with any two party system. At the point it comes down to the choice between:

1. The ruling party
2. Literal Fascists

You no longer have a democracy, flawed or otherwise. You have authoritarianism.

Yes, 1/3 does not vote. In any election (hell what do local elections hit? 30%) My point is it does not help just pulling the 2020 numbers since those are literally the record numbers of all time. This election was right on the money for turnout, not low, not really super high.

Blaming voter turnout would require some evidence that voters did not turn out. And in this case Trump won the popular vote, so 2016s electoral college crap is not in play. This election could be cheated (how would I know at this point one way or the other) but my money is on the Democratic party just face planted harder then in 2016.

Please read what I am inferring, I am not saying people should have voted for anyone else then Harris. My point is you don't get to use the word "democracy" when you don't have more then one choice for voters, that is authoritarianism. When one side is fascist but the other side moves towards them, you needed to (as your founding fathers warned you about) have more then two parties. This was a referendum on the Democratic party, and they failed. Hard. Blaming people was always going to happen, I know that, but maybe learning to not blame the very people you needed to not fall to fascism would be a good start.

I will have another election, one with more then two parties since I am not living in the pit you call the USA.