SkepticalButOpenMinded

I provided sources multiple times. Jesus, does anyone read on this thing?

What is the climate denialist outfit you’re referencing? Each article cites multiple experts and different sources making multiple different claims. None of them rely on a “single study” and they are all from high quality sources, so your claim is ridiculous on its face.

You’ve completely misunderstood. EV tires are designed to wear slower because EVs eat through tires faster. If you put more expensive wear resistant tires on a lighter conventional car, it would obviously wear even more slowly.

Your link is not journalism. It doesn’t even cite its sources. It’s literally a blog entry by a tire company encouraging you to buy tires. The multiple experts cited in the actual news articles I posted say increased tire wear from EVs is a huge environmental problem.

I have already responded to multiple people who asked for sources, which you apparently didn't bother to check. One source I cite mentions a 20-50% increase in tire wear. A simple internet search will bring up literally dozens of articles.

It's always amazing how the laziest and nastiest people on the internet, like yourself, are always the most ignorant. You don't need to start shit to support your point.

That might be so in Europe. I am not so optimistic about the US, where car sizes keep increasing. We seem to want to “consume” the extra efficiencies with more powerful engines and bigger range.

Yes, much heavier. It wouldn't be such a big problem if car sizes weren't exploding, and if people didn't demand such absurdly high battery ranges "just in case", even though their daily commute is not 300 miles. Consumers also seem to want unnecessary power instead of efficiency, negating some of the benefits of the transition.

I'm not sure what you were expecting. It is not unreasonable to ask for actual reasons to support your ideas, especially hot takes like "petrol will always be superior".

Yes, French sea salt especially for desserts! Put that sucker on some decadent butter cookies.

That's not an argument, that's a declaration.

You're right, I wrote that confusingly. I mean to say that the research I linked to is just about air pollution from tires. There are also non-air pollution consequences, as microplastics leak into our food supply, drinking water, our environments, our oceans, etc. This is no small matter.

Everyone who cares about the environment is in favor of EVs over ICEs, but some bad effects will actually increase with EV use. We need to transition every remaining car to EV, but we also need to transition society away from cars.

I was talking about tire dust being worse than brake dust. Was that a typo?

Literally no one is arguing that EVs aren't better for the climate than ICEs. But a lot of the climate harm of cars is not just tailpipe emissions, but bad land use. Pavement, parking lots, urban sprawl, are major contributors to climate change. I don't understand this idea that if we push to move away from cars, it will encourage ICE use. It's an inane argument.

edit: I also haven't seen studies of how much air particulate matter from tires contributes to the greenhouse effect. I don't doubt it's still better than ICEs, but it could still be significant.

Your EV is worse, per distance and per capita, than any non-car mode of transportation. Compared to ICEs, it's better in one particular way, worse in others, but still causes major environmental damage through bad land use. Cars are one of the biggest killers worldwide, and EVs may make that problem worse.