WhiskeyJuliet

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

You're making several false assumptions. The working class, who are largely young and healthy, aren't dying in any meaningful way from not taking the vaccine. They're more likely to die in a car crash or from heart disease, than from Covid.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

Conservatism, practically by definition, resists and rejects new things.

Conservatives reject blindly accepting new things, yes. That's called looking before you leap and taking time to rationally weight the risks vs rewards.

Society is a complex machine. It's impossible to gauge the effects of something like a vaccine in a few short lived lab tests. If we inject a vaccine into children, during their most formative years, how is that going to effect their development a decade from now? Is it going to stunt their growth? Increase their risk of cancer? Give them some other subtle illness years down the road? And for what benefit? All scientific evidence so far says that children have essentially no risk of being injured by Covid.

But asking such reasonable scientific questions gets you branded anti-vax and anti-science by people who understand neither.

We know the elderly with pre-existing conditions do have a substantial risk of being injured by Covid, and even if the vaccine has long-term health effects, that's not something someone with an average 10 years of life left has to worry about. So that cost/benefit analysis makes sense for them to take the risk on a new vaccine.

Progressives are prone to blindly accept anything new for novelty's sake, especially from government, which they use as a substitute religion. No one screaming for everyone to take the vaccine is doing so because they're a scientist and have read peer-reviewed studies showing it's safe. They're doing it because it's a change, which they love, ordered by their government masters, which they irrationally believe unconditionally.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

When Jonas Salk made the Polio vaccine, conservatives whined that it hadn’t been tested and couldn’t be safe. So many people talked on every platform they had to decry the vaccine as “unsafe”, to the point that Salk had to make the statement “It is safe, and you can’t get safer than safe.”

And they were lying back then too. The Cutter incident involved a defective polio vaccine rollout from Cutter Labortories that resulted in 200,000 children being infected with live polio. Around 40,000 children would develop polio, with hundreds being permanently injured from it and some even dying from it.

Turns out the people working in government and scientific labs are, in fact, people, and therefore fallible. Blindly trusting them is a mistake. Trust is earned, and our government bureaucracy has done nothing to earn anyone's trust in a very long time.

Sixty-six years later, and conservatives still shout the same thing, this hasn’t been a “rise”. It’s been an awakening for those who didn’t realize the American right has always been anti-vax.

I'm old enough to remember a year ago, when multiple Democrats were saying the vaccine could not be trusted because Trump was endorsing it and, God forbid, even rushing it into production.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-biden/democrat-biden-warns-against-rushing-out-coronavirus-vaccine-says-trump-cannot-be-trusted-idUSKBN2671NW

"Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Wednesday rejected President Donald Trump’s charge that he is spreading fear about the safety of a potential coronavirus vaccine, urging Trump to defer to scientists and not rush its rollout."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/05/kamala-harris-trump-coronavirus-vaccine-409320

"Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris said she wouldn't take President Donald Trump’s word on the reliability of any coronavirus vaccine released before the election."

I never realized what anti-vaxxers our glorious President and Vice President are. No wonder more people have allegedly died of Covid in 2021 than in 2020.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

Found the peaceful tolerant liberal...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

You seem to be struggling with the idea that tolerance is a boolean attribute you either have or don't have. I think you know that's untrue. Everyone tolerates most things while not tolerating some things.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 years ago

I've been to a few MAGA rallies. I never saw any Nazi flags there. However, I have seen a ton of lefty protesters operating false flags and trolls.. Those dopes always get booed and thrown out.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

The criticism of communism isn't that it has an explicit racial component that wants to kill racial minorities. It's that it has an ill-founded economic and psychological component that has the effect of killing lots of people.

When the Russian communists forcibly confiscated Ukrainian farm land and then tried to have them run by government commissars in one big mass farm system, they were doing it with the good intentions by trying to use use economies of scale to provide more food for everyone.

The problem was they robbed the actual farmers of agency and destroyed the actual motivation to efficiently grow food. Government employees, who get compensated whether they grow little food or a lot of food, are going to naturally maximize their personal gain. Since that gain couldn't be monetary, all they could do was minimize their own expense and effort. So they spent as little effort as possible, and those farms largely failed.

That lead to famine and mass starvation that was so bad, when the Nazis invaded Ukraine during WWII, some Ukrainians temporarily welcomed them as liberators.

That's why most of the modern day governments that still call themselves communist or socialist have largely abandoned the economic ideals of communism and have almost all adopted free market systems.